500 mile yearling Challenge poll

[OLDYELLOW]

those that are intrested please vote then the majority vote will be carried forward , rember this is a bit of fun and surely will create a few good posts pictures and discussions on the way

[Guest]

looks like there is a bit of intrest

 

[OLDYELLOW]

yup 38 votes so far

[little sam]

Im not to sure, So just put 500 mile seen as thats mylast oldbird race distance  

[peterpau]

The challenge should be for what it started out at. Too many people want to move the goalposts.

[Roland]

The challenge should be for what it started out at. Too many people want to move the goalposts.

Agree 100%... Same old story I'm afraid, they won't daren't go for it themselves as in the first instance, then are afraid they may miss out on a chance of glory ... so move the goal post and scheme for undeserved glory. Like the Middle distance flyers have done with the true distance races... Noon Liberations.

Well my yearlings will be flying - conditions for both birds and weather - 469 any way, So as for me, am not interested in this now.

I certainly wouldn't need to join a so called national now and will save money there.

So count me out, as I feel now it is a waste of time.... Golly yearlings fly 450 miles day in and day out! Streuth, Yb's are doing near that back to back!

So as I say, nowt to prove or acheive here.

Sorry, I'm out.

 

[Guest]

when it is decided that 450/500 miles is the challenge,will there be a cut off as far as velocity is concerned.For instance in Scotland the race ends at 400 velocity

[hotrod]

Agree 100%... Same old story I'm afraid, they won't daren't go for it themselves as in the first instance, then are afraid they may miss out on a chance of glory ... so move the goal post and scheme for undeserved glory. Like the Middle distance flyers have done with the true distance races... Noon Liberations.

Well my yearlings will be flying - conditions for both birds and weather - 469 any way, So as for me, am not interested in this now.

I certainly wouldn't need to join a so called national now and will save money there.

So count me out, as I feel now it is a waste of time.... Golly yearlings fly 450 miles day in and day out! Streuth, Yb's are doing near that back to back!

So as I say, nowt to prove or acheive here.

Sorry, I'm out.

roland i would love it if it was a 500 mile challenge but if my over  500 mile race is just  short of 600, my next down is 460 i would not be able to compete , so what if most are the same

 

 

[Guest Vic]

Agree 100%... Same old story I'm afraid, they won't daren't go for it themselves as in the first instance, then are afraid they may miss out on a chance of glory ... so move the goal post and scheme for undeserved glory. Like the Middle distance flyers have done with the true distance races... Noon Liberations.

Well my yearlings will be flying - conditions for both birds and weather - 469 any way, So as for me, am not interested in this now.

I certainly wouldn't need to join a so called national now and will save money there.

So count me out, as I feel now it is a waste of time.... Golly yearlings fly 450 miles day in and day out! Streuth, Yb's are doing near that back to back!

So as I say, nowt to prove or acheive here.

Sorry, I'm out.    

 

                                        Yes Roland, I agree with you. A good idea, spoilt completely. I timed two yearlings in last year, that were 2nd and 3rd club  504 mile, something that I have often done in the past. As you say, it's not a rarity by a long chalk. Anyhow Goodluck, to all that compete, in the now proposed middle distance race.

[Roland]

Hotrod, you would be able to compete. a good yearling, will same as a 2 yo or over fly just as well, if not better. Would I send a yearling 600 miles - or in your case nearly, 500 odd. Yes! If coming well and was reaching it's peak condition, wouldn't give it a second thought personally.

Indeed next season hopefully will have some that may well just be the goods in this respect.

But they are your pigeons, you look after them and know their capabilities, and feel perhaps it is a bridge just too far. I don't know your birds ...

But can honestly say, regardless of who's cast offs I have had in the past, THEY all went the full distance, and all as far as possible. Rgardless of strain etc. Nearly 4 month old birds flew the 469 miles when IT was done by the Midland CFC.

But then I believe many don't, because their owners won't send them, and many have the wrong system too... being more interested in sprints and middle distance. Seen as you ALL have, the fellow that sent one nearly 500 miles once, one he didn't really take too and didn't mind if it was lost... Lose it and say all matter of fact, with a wink and a nodded. 'There I knew my birds won't get the distance and never try again. Indeed say the same every season. Bet if they setnt the lot that were in condition and well thought of they'd now being saying 'You know, ain't suppose to get the distance... But I knew they could somehow' for thay'd had have had great results! Still like I say everyone to their own. They pay their monies and take their choice. And I am certainly not knocking Hotrod in the slightest.

But a fancier in Ireland... gosh never remember his name, was sending yearlings 600 miles hardly ever raced till then and getting great results. 'Prince' Jackson was getting yearlings from a 1000 miles a hundred years ago... and they didn't have the help, nor the knowledge ti help that abounds today. Just my own thoughts on it.

[Guest Paulo]

Hotrod, you would be able to compete. a good yearling, will same as a 2 yo or over fly just as well, if not better. Would I send a yearling 600 miles - or in your case nearly, 500 odd. Yes! If coming well and was reaching it's peak condition, wouldn't give it a second thought personally.

Indeed next season hopefully will have some that may well just be the goods in this respect.

But they are your pigeons, you look after them and know their capabilities, and feel perhaps it is a bridge just too far. I don't know your birds ...

But can honestly say, regardless of who's cast offs I have had in the past, THEY all went the full distance, and all as far as possible. Rgardless of strain etc. Nearly 4 month old birds flew the 469 miles when IT was done by the Midland CFC.

But then I believe many don't, because their owners won't send them, and many have the wrong system too... being more interested in sprints and middle distance. Seen as you ALL have, the fellow that sent one nearly 500 miles once, one he didn't really take too and didn't mind if it was lost... Lose it and say all matter of fact, with a wink and a nodded. 'There I knew my birds won't get the distance and never try again. Indeed say the same every season. Bet if they setnt the lot that were in condition and well thought of they'd now being saying 'You know, ain't suppose to get the distance... But I knew they could somehow' for thay'd had have had great results! Still like I say everyone to their own. They pay their monies and take their choice. And I am certainly not knocking Hotrod in the slightest.

But a fancier in Ireland... gosh never remember his name, was sending yearlings 600 miles hardly ever raced till then and getting great results. 'Prince' Jackson was getting yearlings from a 1000 miles a hundred years ago... and they didn't have the help, nor the knowledge ti help that abounds today. Just my own thoughts on it.

 

My dads won many channel races including bourges with yearlings. I think the key is having the right blood though cause when I tried my hodge podge of pigeons in this years channel races I was lucky to get some home and own nowt.

 

Still brought some decent channel blood in now through!

 

[OLDYELLOW]

It has been suggested by several members that this could be done as 2 challenges to please everyone , as i feel there is enough intrest to warrent two challenges i would like to say we will call 500 miles to 599 miles challenge A , and 400 miles to 499 miles challenge B , and members can select up to 2 birds maximum and use there best performing bird only to be entered into either challenge or just one, so if wanting to enter into challenge A and B Your fee will be £5 per bird to maximum of 2 birds at £10 per challenge so if both £20 if just one then £10 , prize money will be allocated separately for each challenge . If everyone in favour then this will be put forward as the Yearling Chalenge Groups A and Group B  

[OLDYELLOW]

i already have one Judge confirmed Mr Jack Barkel was asked by myself and has accepted , still awaiting to hear from M J Burden  

[thunderboult]

i origanally voted for the 450 to get more people involved, but i would favour the over 500 mls event. my choice is going to be bergerac 514 mls. and i won it with a yearling last year.  

[hotrod]

roland i will send to 500 mile as yearlings no probs mate ,but if you have read some of my posts i dont race youngbirds ,so to 600 would send only if  they were 100% .but a lot of guys would just send anyway , not me mate , if any of you guys out there can pick out one yearling NOW and win out of 500 miles , your a better dooman than me, as iv'e been asked many time how do you know if a birds a 500 miler , my answer is, when it hits that board from 500 miles simple

[Fair Play]

Too many nit pickers rather than true pigeon men  - the usual "I don't like it so i'm not playing" so sad

[Guest]

I think it would be interesting to see how many of the 22 voters for 500 miles.1st send and 2nd time a yearling.At this time of the year expectations are high ,come the month of the race,REALITY sets in. ;)

[Guest Vic]

Too many nit pickers rather than true pigeon men  - the usual "I don't like it so i'm not playing" so sad

I only hope that you are not relating to Vic. I was one of the first that applauded Old Yellow for  his competitive forum thinking, but some guys tried in their own ways to spoil the issue from the start. Before the poll, distances were getting down to 400 mile, and before long, would have ended up minus 300m and below. LOL   I misread the crux of the poll, because the last I heard it was down to the four hundreds, and dropping by the minute. But I dont like to be in the first drop brigade, So make it 475 onwards. I have said this all the way through, by the way.    

 

 

[Guest Vic]

475 miles and onwards makes it a challenge. Be it any distance within the range, makes it more  committing and exciting for every fancier involved. Just one challenge, TWO WILL KILL IT! Vic.

 

[Guest]

There are 22 voting for 500+ and 35 for 500-, something for everyone ... and isf you have the races you could do both. Great idea Oldyellow should work? 22 doing 500+ is a pretty good challenge?

[OLDYELLOW]

There are 22 voting for 500+ and 35 for 500-, something for everyone ... and isf you have the races you could do both. Great idea Oldyellow should work? 22 doing 500+ is a pretty good challenge?

 

thats my thoughts why not have 2 groups and everyones pleased and some can compete in both if wished  

[hotrod]

 

thats my thoughts why not have 2 groups and everyones pleased and some can compete in both if wished  

 

watered down mate,only my opinion

[OLDYELLOW]

how is it watered down ? those below 500 miles get a competition and those over 500 mile get one and some may enter both , if only chose the over 500 miles and had 22 competing rather than 37 or a combination of the two = 59 people i think the yearling challenge would indeed be watered down by not having the most on board to enter the challenge ,  this way everyone who wants to enter has a choice to enter at the level they wish

[Guest Vic]

To split a glorious idea, is a loss to basics in general. Perhaps if some of the so called big  boys, listened to experience, from guys like me, we would all be better off.    

[peterpau]

Tiz a shame not to go with the orignal challenge. I have nearly all yearlings having moved house, and all must go 515 mile. The first time I've sent yearlings this far but. ;)