jagging

[PATTY BHOY]

When do most fanciers jag their birds.

I have heard guys say that they jag the ybs straight out the nest(at time of weaning)every year but that said when do you do your old birds?

 

Before pairing every year or after the 1st nest???

 

Do you think the jag is still relevant as I for one think it was just a gimmick(money making scheme by so called experts) to start with....!!!!!!

 

 

[Guest]

if you jag your youngbirds and oldbirds 2 weeks before youngbird raceing you wont need

to jag any till the same time the next year

do the lot in one go

 

 

 

 

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

you can't race for 4 weeks after they've been vaccinated (NEHU rules - don't know rules of other organisations)

[Guest]

if you jag your youngbirds and oldbirds 2 weeks before youngbird raceing you wont need

to jag any till the same time the next year

do the lot in one go

 

I've mentioned before, some fanciers jab on weaning and then again the week before racing! They believe it gives the bird a boost rather than harming them.

 

 

 

 

[Guest IB]

You are supposed to jag the birds before you start training, and both vaccines take 2 weeks and more before they become effective.

 

I don't think you do YBs any favours by doing it a couple of weeks before racing, recommendation is at weaning, or shortly afterwards.

 

OBs I do at the beginning of the year, after any treatments, and 6 or so weeks before pairing up. Did mine 8th Feb (late, supplier late delivery) and paired up today, March 11th.

[Guest]

You are supposed to jag the birds before you start training, and both vaccines take 2 weeks and more before they become effective.

 

I don't think you do YBs any favours by doing it a couple of weeks before racing, recommendation is at weaning, or shortly afterwards.

 

OBs I do at the beginning of the year, after any treatments, and 6 or so weeks before pairing up. Did mine 8th Feb (late, supplier late delivery) and paired up today, March 11th.

 

Ian what's recommended and what works are some times two different things.

The aces regularly say there are no secrets but this I think is not true when it comes to yb and short distance racing, I beleive there are many tricks with health, medicines etc. At the distance not quite so.

I can assure you the above is practised by some very good fanciers who believe it gives them an advantage. It ain't natural but neither is the darkness which I dislike.  

[Taylorsloft]

i jab them as i wean them its a lot easier .then at the end of the year  

[thunderboult]

say you jab your yb's 2 weeks before the first race would they need to have another jab at the start of the ob season or would they be covered up until the date you jabbed them the year before.

[Guest]

say you jab your yb's 2 weeks before the first race would they need to have another jab at the start of the ob season or would they be covered up until the date you jabbed them the year before.

 

for meeting rpra regs i believe they must be vaccinted every 12 months, one fancier in my club vacciates young and old two weeks before the first yb race

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

for meeting rpra regs i believe they must be vaccinted every 12 months, one fancier in my club vacciates young and old two weeks before the first yb race

 

so the RPRA don't have any rules regarding vaccination then

[sapper756]

My youngsters are vacinated b4 training begins, therefor, if one is lost during training, and then returns, I know it has been vacinated

[Guest WINGS 04]

i like to do my young birds when they are leving the nest and them all my birds after the young bird racing

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

so the RPRA don't have any rules regarding vaccination then

 

They have what is called A Code of Practice which sets out  a list of do,s and dont,s regarding vaccination,it does say that they must be vaccinated annually with a defra approved vaccine.

[Guest IB]

 

Ian what's recommended and what works are some times two different things.

The aces regularly say there are no secrets but this I think is not true when it comes to yb and short distance racing, I beleive there are many tricks with health, medicines etc. At the distance not quite so.

I can assure you the above is practised by some very good fanciers who believe it gives them an advantage. It ain't natural but neither is the darkness which I dislike.  

 

My original post was not in reply to yours, simply went up at the same time. I agree with you that some are using authorised and unauthorised medicines in the belief that they give advantage. For example it took a long time for the penny to drop here that parastop was being used in this way.

 

I can only relate my own experience: have jagged my own and others pigeons near the 1st YB race and performances weren't great; 3 years ago I started doing mine earlier, but did a clubmates very close to racing; we trained together, he with 30+ and me 13/14. His performances were bad, near bottom of sheet, mine were better and always in top half of sheet.

 

Again can't offer proof, just gut feeling as it is young birds we are talking about here, and they must have some sort of 'first time' reaction to being injected with a virus, albeit a dead one..

 

 

[thunderboult]

 

My original post was not in reply to yours, simply went up at the same time. I agree with you that some are using authorised and unauthorised medicines in the belief that they give advantage. For example it took a long time for the penny to drop here that parastop was being used in this way.

 

I can only relate my own experience: have jagged my own and others pigeons near the 1st YB race and performances weren't great; 3 years ago I started doing mine earlier, but did a clubmates very close to racing; we trained together, he with 30+ and me 13/14. His performances were bad, near bottom of sheet, mine were better and always in top half of sheet.

 

Again can't offer proof, just gut feeling as it is young birds we are talking about here, and they must have some sort of 'first time' reaction to being injected with a virus, albeit a dead one..

 

 

we jab 2 weeks before yb racing and it has not been a problem for us, my belief is when they first weaned over it's a stressful time and they have'nt build up the loft resistance also when they first go out can be a stressful time as when you start training. by doing them later i know that a lot of the stress is gone and the birds will be that much hardier . we've never had a problem with sickness and the birds do perform well.

[Guest]

 

My original post was not in reply to yours, simply went up at the same time. I agree with you that some are using authorised and unauthorised medicines in the belief that they give advantage. For example it took a long time for the penny to drop here that parastop was being used in this way.

 

I can only relate my own experience: have jagged my own and others pigeons near the 1st YB race and performances weren't great; 3 years ago I started doing mine earlier, but did a clubmates very close to racing; we trained together, he with 30+ and me 13/14. His performances were bad, near bottom of sheet, mine were better and always in top half of sheet.

 

Again can't offer proof, just gut feeling as it is young birds we are talking about here, and they must have some sort of 'first time' reaction to being injected with a virus, albeit a dead one..

 

 

No probs, I was commenting on your point.

Interestingly it's all about perception, like the member in my club that does his just before YB racing (old and young) presumably because he doesn't like doing them twice in the first year of their life.Then as I say I know an ex member who tells me to jab them twice. With dementia setting in I think now I recall he may well give the second half way through YB racing to give a boost!

I don't think the vaccine harms the birds I think it's actually helped (not twice). There will be a small minority that may react badly but in many of those instances I belive the vaccine is not the primary cause.

Mine are vaccined when time permits always only a few weeks from racing, the past two years I have only raced the 3rd race and 3rd to 5th race, the year before the first year down here I was 123 & 12 in the first two yb races non darkness. I think darkness is far worse than the jab but appreciate if your a YB specialist it's the only way to be competitive