doo Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Yes, your right, you cant guarantee winners but that wasnt the point. We are trying to see if everybody has distance racing at heart and if a great opportunity arose then would they take it. Sorry Derek, excuse me I'm a bit thick ...lol
cheeseman Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 you should never say the g word when buying birds your just buying paper and the vendors goodwill,if they were all gaurateed we would be full of winners and no losers
Delboy Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Posted April 12, 2009 Sorry Derek, excuse me I'm a bit thick ...lol ;D ;D same school as me m8
doo Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 ;D ;D same school as me m8 I think a win is a win & at the end of the day we all want to win so I would snap yer hands off to get birds wth winning genes right through them as birds don't know they are distance doos or sprint doos .....you have two types good uns & sh** uns
Guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Yes, your right, you cant guarantee winners but that wasnt the point. We are trying to see if everybody has distance racing at heart and if a great opportunity arose then would they take it. I am realitly new to this great sport with this only being my fifth season.But one thing that i decided right from the start was it was long distance racing that i would be striving to achieve.The reason for my decision was to compete with the best,and to do this i had to go were the best were.At first i thought it would take me 5 years to establish myself. ;D ;D ;D.And how nieve i was at the start have now went for ten years,so five years from now i will look at it again.
Guest chrisss Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 im 62 so distance would be no good for me must be quick over short distance [bit like me love life] oh happy days well i have been told that "fast joe" but who am i?
BLACK W F Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 i think weather you sprint or distance would make no difference as such a pair would be taken by any loft unless a total fool any pair breeding birds to win or score are worth there weight in gold we are all looking for the golden pairs cheers Alan
Guest numpty01 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 i think weather you sprint or distance would make no difference as such a pair would be taken by any loft unless a total fool any pair breeding birds to win or score are worth there weight in gold we are all looking for the golden pairs cheers Alanwe are that is for sure but i wonder have we lost the once great blood that gave us the dreambirds flying 600on the day now we seem to breed birds that take 3days or not come at all many good top birds about but are they todays blood or yesterdays?????
Guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 we are that is for sure but i wonder have we lost the once great blood that gave us the dreambirds flying 600on the day now we seem to breed birds that take 3days or not come at all many good top birds about but are they todays blood or yesterdays????? Chris 600 mile on the day is a bit of a falicy, in the days when the Welsh flew the toughest racepoint Lerwick for 600 mile, day birds only occured when there was north in the wind, look back at the Welsh Lerwick results and you'll see day birds were rare. Mind you, you appear to be speaking from experience, how often did you fly Lerwick in race time? I should add on the south road 600 mile on the day seems far more common and the majority of out and out distance men would rather have the only bird in race time and not on the day
Guest numpty01 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 i have never flown lerwick but the late des powell my mate whom i spent lots time with did and he flew most distance ones on day now palomos pau at 580odd on day with old blood was done often sansabastion on day j a rake in my opinion one of the great distance men gets lots birds home from distance on the day useing kellens and other blood pete matthews is the same these are men that dont buy in birds unless they are of good distance blood wilf reed old blood the late jimmy powell ledbury distance blood indeed the birds i have on chatity auction are mainly old blood for distance lerwick on day tom ingram m seabourne ray reeks lots welsh birds have flown it
Guest numpty01 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 and befor anyone comments i have only flown north for two seasons and being honest hated it south is what i like and yes i have flown all channel races and kept my head above with a club with 11 nat flying men all winners of multy nat
hotrod Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 a rider to this hypothetical question ,if you had this 'golden' pair would anyone out there split them and try them with another mate?. I WOULD as a few years down the line the loft would be ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 Yes, your right, you cant guarantee winners but that wasnt the point. We are trying to see if everybody has distance racing at heart and if a great opportunity arose then would they take it. Delboy, to be honest if you have the pair great and if you care to ring me, I will tell you if i would have this pair from you. but for those who do wish to know my answer, I would decline your offer, as i think someone who races over the distance would maybe appreciate them more. thats my opinion and honest view, give them to HOTROD now he will do them justice !! as you would do yourself delboy, regards and wishes spencer
Guest vining45 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 no id go father/daugter /mother/son/grandaugter/grandfather/grandmother/granson then introduce new blood from a proven sorce
hotrod Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 no id go father/daugter /mother/son/grandaugter/grandfather/grandmother/granson then introduce new blood from a proven sorce by the time you got to grandparents to g /child they would be really inbred and needing a cross but then you are beaking the chain of these winning genes .
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 a rider to this hypothetical question ,if you had this 'golden' pair would anyone out there split them and try them with another mate?. I WOULD as a few years down the line the loft would be ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Hi HOTROD... I would not split the pair but seek out another pair of same equal quality and base lineage (related cross) and use the 2 lines and blend them . JMO :-/
hotrod Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 Hi HOTROD... I would not split the pair but seek out another pair of same equal quality and base lineage (related cross) and use the 2 lines and blend them . JMO :-/ yes mate but these GOLDEN PAIRS ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN so to find another hypothetical GOLDEN PAIR would be one in a million.
Delboy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Posted April 13, 2009 a rider to this hypothetical question ,if you had this 'golden' pair would anyone out there split them and try them with another mate?. I WOULD as a few years down the line the loft would be ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Stop using my word ` hypothetical ' lol. Yes Stuart, you would try them with different mates.Its human nature to think the grass is greener on the other side and that maybe we could breed even better birds from this new mating. I would breed the cock and hen together then with different matings. The offspring mated together.Half brother x half sister
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 yes finding pairs are rare, but it this could be done that would be the ideal thing to do i think, and probably cost a bit to obtain another pair.. but worth it, i would look for a cock related to the original pair and pair a winning daughter onto this other winning related cock and then breed the *********** ******** ***********, which would maintain the line of the original pair and not be so inbred as ***and ********* matings...
Chris Little Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 A fine thread by Derek, a good question with sound debate. My answer would be grab the pair with both hands, distance racing is the creme de la creme of our great sport, sprint racing is a doddle Stuart's point re; splitting a golden pair, it would be most wise to seperate them at some point, you will then have half brothers and sisters to pair up together
Guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 A fine thread by Derek, a good question with sound debate. My answer would be grab the pair with both hands, distance racing is the creme de la creme of our great sport, sprint racing is a doddle Stuart's point re; splitting a golden pair, it would be most wise to seperate them at some point, you will then have half brothers and sisters to pair up together Chris I agree distance racing is the creme de la creme and my interest but I do not agree sprint racing is a dodle. If you live in a hotbed of sprinting, Midlands, Barnsley, UNC, then I think it is harder to win consistently because you have to get those birds right week in week out and there is a lot more competition where the difference between 1st Fed and 50th Fed maybe 10yds per minute.
Guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 I think a win is a win & at the end of the day we all want to win so I would snap yer hands off to get birds wth winning genes right through them as birds don't know they are distance doos or sprint doos .....you have two types good uns & sh** uns Hi dooman, yes agree snap hands off but no there are without doubt different types as there are with race horses. The 500 /700 mile winners are unique, as referred in a previous thread there are only a miniscule amount of families that have won the fed from 50 / 700 mile, A H Bennett is about the only one that comes to mind. Geoff Cooper has the 50 / 600 I beleive, I don't think he has ever tested them at 700. I'm sure there will be some top Scots that have won from 50 /700 as well?
Tony C Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 distance racing is the creme de la creme of our great sport, sprint racing is a doddle You 'Little' wind up you ;D
Guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 i have never flown lerwick but the late des powell my mate whom i spent lots time with did and he flew most distance ones on day now palomos pau at 580odd on day with old blood was done often sansabastion on day j a rake in my opinion one of the great distance men gets lots birds home from distance on the day useing kellens and other blood pete matthews is the same these are men that dont buy in birds unless they are of good distance blood wilf reed old blood the late jimmy powell ledbury distance blood indeed the birds i have on chatity auction are mainly old blood for distance lerwick on day tom ingram m seabourne ray reeks lots welsh birds have flown it Great Distance fanciers Chris but I thought Des Powell, who I remember, flew predominantly South, didn't realise he flew Lerwick, was a top man. I never got one from Lerwick either, very sad!!! But today I would hope that if I did fly it I would ;D
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