Ulimate Sprinters

[little sam]

Dont know the strain he flys but he is probably THE BEST in England, Kieth Arnold  

[jakjak]

 

bet you wish you never asked mate lol :-)

 

lol

I have found the thread very interesting........

I think most fanciers agree that you pick the family you like........adopt the system you like.......and stick to it!

And mould your own team

I was 1st Fed on Sat with a 2 year old Roland Janssen W/H Ck

But I still think the Van Reets are the very best

[Roland]

Well this thread  - to me - just goes to prove that a Strain is just that, and firstly mostly a pigeon.

All shape sizes and strains are winners.... and likewise losers big time.

Guess I'll carry on believing 'Pigeons to win race' V 'Strains cost the money'!

[Roland]

P.S. Some of the above names in those posts were winning with other strains bud then the pigeons happened to change strain!!!

 

Oh that was, and is still so very true.

Natrix etc. won sprints (50 miles) to distance as did many of Stn's birds, and as do many other's today. System I believe is the most essential part.

As for humans, Well Seb Coe does on the last 100 metres of 1500 in 11 .1 second, 220 24.1, He could run the 400metres in 45.5. and just over that on a last lap Like many do / have done, Gosh that is sprinting after a Distance being run. And I think Ovett often was quicker.

[Tumley Lofts Stud]

 

Oh that was, and is still so very true.

Natrix etc. won sprints (50 miles) to distance as did many of Stn's birds, and as do many other's today. System I believe is the most essential part.

As for humans, Well Seb Coe does on the last 100 metres of 1500 in 11 .1 second, 220 24.1, He could run the 400metres in 45.5. and just over that on a last lap Like many do / have done, Gosh that is sprinting after a Distance being run. And I think Ovett often was quicker.

 

Good point but the one is was making was between sprinters and distance 100m/marathon! You are always going to get cross overs between sprint and middle distance as well as middle and long distance, much easier to achieve. Systems do have a major part to play but it is only a part!

[Guest Owen]

The problem in breeding winning pigeons, as I see it, is the way the race programmes are put together. At least here is this corner of South Wales. The programme starts at 55 miles and goes up to nearly 600 miles.

In our Club we have one fancier who wins the lion's share of the sprint races and a group of about three that cleans out the distance events. The sprint guy lives in a favoured position but, in fairness does a cracking job. It's not uncommon for him to take the first six positions.

My own pigeons are good at the middle order events. But the question is, how can you breed a pigeon that will do it all.

If I could choose, I would want to stick with the sprint birds. It's that sort of racing I find exciting. And my wife likes it to.

As things stand, the only way to succeed is to keep at least two differant types of bird. Sprint to middle and middle to long. Then things get really complicated, because ideally, you would need two differant lofts and two differant management plans.

[Guest bigda]

 

what??????????? do you mean lefabre s

 

maybe it was lephrachauns, :X he was thinking off

[Tony C]

Put 10 of each so called sprint/middle/long distance pigeons in your y/b team and train them together out to 50 miles, £ to a pinch of salt they’ll all drop together. How come!

[just ask me]

Put 10 of each so called sprint/middle/long distance pigeons in your y/b team and train them together out to 50 miles, £ to a pinch of salt they’ll all drop together. How come!

 

if u train them separate ill bet there times will be different

[Roland]

Well I would say - personally - that it is 30% good pigeons, 60% and the other 10% make up of good fortunes, etc. etc.

Of course you need good pigeons... Then of course you need the location, the bigger the nett the better the location. - Have never seen, and yet to therefore, any person moving to, or moved their loft to the West to get better a performance.

That said, any strain that has a good constition two wings and fearthers etc. will do for a strain. Personally I believe the Van Der Plucker take all the beating at any distance  ;D

[Guest waynemorris]

Slightly off topic but not much...Does anyone know who is flying the Sepers birds succesfully in the UK.  

[Guest waynemorris]

Ive crossed them with my cooremans and it seems to working out ok..i have 2 hens only though which i purchased from a local fancier....(I will remember his name if it kills me lol)

[Guest strapper]

Ive crossed them with my cooremans and it seems to working out ok..i have 2 hens only though which i purchased from a local fancier....(I will remember his name if it kills me lol)

 

 

wayne...just like my mrs cant remember names....AND SHE,S FROM BLACKWOOD!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Guest waynemorris]

LOL used to live very near there in fleur-de-lis

[schouwman71]

Put 10 of each so called sprint/middle/long distance pigeons in your y/b team and train them together out to 50 miles, £ to a pinch of salt they’ll all drop together. How come!

 

quit a few years back i had a good family of fast janssen birds that were winning 1st prizes and then i got some soottjens from j.s.lofts and john salt,we trained the janssen and sootjen youngsters out to 40mls and believe me the janssens came rolling in between 5-7 minutes behind the sootjens and thet was every training toss,we entered 18 sootjens ans 12 janssen youngsters into our club open race and had all 18 sootjen youngsters come together from 47 miles not clocking until the 18th pigeon trapped taking the first 4 positions and the only 4 we timed in,the hanssens were 5 mins behind them,sootjen pigeons are the fastest birds ive ever seen and had thepleasure to race with,i also believe there faster than the van reets.my janssens were fast pigeons but struggled to keep up with the sootjens and the odd one that did trap with the sootjens we found were panting,were the sootjens wernt.food for thoughts eh

 

les

[Roland]

Good post Schouwman71, very informative and from personal expierence.

[just ask me]

the corremans kicked the crap out of every thing i did own only had 9 young ones first year against 30 or so of what i had they didint stand a chance with the corremans  

[chucka]

i would say the lambrechts out and out sprint

i just finshed 6th in the super club 63 members all top flyers with a lambrect of steve edwards a red cock out of liam

 

 

[rooster]

it just depends if you are selling or buying , Ive seen a fancier selling pigeons on this site and on another wanting pigeons free , but the ones he was selling were super pigeons ,lol

[Guest waynemorris]

The 2 Sepers hens i have now got came from John David (new i would remember eventually) won with a cooreman x sepers cross on the weekend

[Guest spin cycle]

when i started,in the days i read bhw cover to cover, i was impressed by a dr steve plummer who specialised, i think, in 50-150 miles with lahfre dhannens ( spelling worse than numpty's ). if a loft specialises in that distance and succeeds surely thats the place to go...whatever the strain. havn't read about him recently or about another of my early favourites jimmy roy

[schouwman71]

with what pigeons ive had over theyears i do know theres sprinters and distance pigeons and they are different.

 

les

[just ask me]

with what pigeons ive had over theyears i do know theres sprinters and distance pigeons and they are different.

 

les

 

without a doubt they all have there own qualities i follow results in a big way and in all fairness u don't see many jan ardens winning 150 mile races in a competitive sprinting fed

[Bad Trapper]

Frans De Mayer's appear to act in all winds, going by Hulse and Sons sale notes last year

[Roland]

P.S. Some of the above names in those posts were winning with other strains bud then the pigeons happened to change strain!!!

 

Yes and too many others also ... it is strife that deceit.