True or Fib? Whites aren't as fast?

[Leroy]

I have kept whites for a couple of years now and want to put them to the test next year. Ive never raced before and am due to move house soon. So I have something to compare them to I have just bought half a dozen long distance birds - dark cheqs mainly - to train and race alongside. All will be treated exactly the same. If I only end up with dark cheqs at the end of three years I'll know this could be true. I'll try to keep people posted as this is a topic that crops up every now and again.

 

Lee

[Guest Owen]

I have a white family who fly as part of my team. They are brilliant sprinters and one pure white cock is at stock having won 4 good races plus a lot of places. He is breeding some very good pigeons.

I have an added benefit because, when the cocks are off flying down the valley I can always see where they are. The whites stand out against and background, whereas the normal colours don't.

The colour I struggle with is reds and mealies. Every year I breed a couple and most do well racing. Then they disappear. I have come to the conclusion that they are hawk bait. And believe me, there are plenty of them around here.

[Tony C]

virgo , who is owned by fountainhead stud won the yb nat nfc

from averanches im right in thinking was pure white .

dont know the year though .

 

I have an old article written by J Redshaw from the International Pigeon World magazine on the National winning performance of Virgo.

She won the young bird National (year 1986) out of Rennes when 1283 members sent 6240 pigeons. Her winning Velocity was 1068 ypm flying 392miles, she was sent feeding a 2 day old youngster. She was of Kirkpatrick breeding out of a mealy or red cock and the dam is described as a blue and white hen. Virgo herself is described as a white hen with slight grizzle.

 

[jimmy white]

did" king jack ;D"   jack adams win a natonal with a white one??  [adams boy??]

in my opinion, colour makes no difference , its more really to the point of breeding , irrespective of colour,,

[Guest casbri]

any coloured pigeon you get good and bad in all colours

[Roland]

Of course they are... same % as reds, blues, chequers etc. are winners, and as fast, Streuth be saying, like heard before as they are white they need to eat more Barley or whatever.

Mind they may, like white  grizzles etc. reflex the sun away from their body like... open to debate of course, white being a reflective colour.

[Guest asha]

 

    Jim,Jack Adams won NFC PAU about 625miles with Adams boy,a beautiful big ch cock,we had a young feather legs of adams boy we bought at a charity sale.The white ¬un your on about was raced by jack as a bit of fun,because leslie davidson,gave it to jack because jack was forever trying to darken his birds flights down,knowing whites mealies ect,primaries wear and thin throu the sun rays destroying them,anyway jack had the baby,prepared it,and won 1st section NFC PAU with it,it also bred jack a few good`uns later.

[kirky]

 

I have an old article written by J Redshaw from the International Pigeon World magazine on the National winning performance of Virgo.

She won the young bird National (year 1986) out of Rennes when 1283 members sent 6240 pigeons. Her winning Velocity was 1068 ypm flying 392miles, she was sent feeding a 2 day old youngster. She was of Kirkpatrick breeding out of a mealy or red cock and the dam is described as a blue and white hen. Virgo herself is described as a white hen with slight grizzle.

ya slight red grizzle.

 

 

[fred x]

To me anything bred for colour over racing ability will always be inferior, a family of whites fall into this category but there again I wouldn’t condemn the odd white thrown.

 

What about BLACK Tony,  ie: Ebeny & the like!!  All Blacks!! are they not bred for colour.

 

 

[Tony C]

The way I look at it is that lets say 75% of fanciers breed best to best, if whites or blacks were equal or better surely a good proportion of these would be found in 75% of lofts. Are they?

[OLDYELLOW]

The way I look at it is that lets say 75% of fanciers breed best to best, if whites or blacks were equal or better surely a good proportion of these would be found in 75% of lofts. Are they?

 

well if you went to certain lofts like Van loon no reds there but then if went to the greats like Sion , Bricoux and Van Der esp prodominately red so cant see your argument standing up , if you like blues your not going to be persuaded to buying reds in and vice versa , its down to individual choice

[Tony C]

I'm looking at the big picture not individuals.

 

What I see with my own eyes does me.

[OLDYELLOW]

Brain longs Red barcellona wonder how many birds that beat ? the mealy in to Patrington how many did that bird beat ? list goes on ................

[jim]

white pigeon OMO  WON PAU NATIONAL I BELEAVE

 

                                         JIM

[Tony C]

I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave some moments ago.

[Guest Denny]

I have always thought that it was something to do with the feather texture of a white /white based pigeon that led to people feeling that a white coloured pigeon was inferior.  I have always preferred a Bl, Red, Ch etc in the hand over a white pigeon myself.  Just look at the pigeon " VIRGO " pure white so again it could be down to peoples preferences.

 

Why are whites or white based considered inferior?  Is it because there is no pigment in the feathers making the texture different.  

 

Are there many people who will not fly white/white based birds regardless?

[jimmy white]

white pigeon OMO  WON PAU NATIONAL I BELEAVE

 

                                         JIM

 

did "omo" not belong to alf baker??"

[gangster]

  old wives tale......ask maxwell when your birds are out flying and for example you have 40 whites and 1 black bet you its the black it gets 1st its the 1 that stands out from the rest that usually go 1st could be any colour

[gangster]

as for racing ability i think no difference 2 other colours alot of whites are used for weddings ect but there are plenty good whites being raced ...

[Guest Denny]

i have a mate who works as a game keeper , took me to a kestrals nestin which we found 9 rings of dead birds 4 were from whites , 2 from white pieds, i think that they may be more vunrable to attack , therefore less returns , may put people off,

 

 

A little concerned over this as I have two pairs of peregrines close by!  Looks like I'll have to keep a little more stock than I first thought.

 

Does anyone know why they are vunerable?  Is it because they are easily seen or just slower?