OLDYELLOW Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 I raced natural for years due to strange work patterns. I can honestly say that I have never had to kill a youngster to achieve any success. I think if the youngsters get to that size it can be to your advantage in longer races if you feed them yourself that takes pressure off the parents and they take more food on board to feed youngsters who dont call (squeak) for it and it gives them added nuitrition. Just my opinion but i think the killing of youngbirds in the nest other than for health or development reasons is wrong and i think that to tell a 15 year old they have to do this to race natural is very wrong. It is not the end of the world to miss a race after all is it. Racing natural and not killing youngbirds in the nest won me the Fed averages so cant be that wrong. Paul. great post , but if this young lad dint want a vast amount of young birds and wanted to have ybs to motivate the old birds / parents what other option if hes only allowed 5 pairs ?
Blue Chequer Pied Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 great post , but if this young lad dint want a vast amount of young birds and wanted to have ybs to motivate the old birds / parents what other option if hes only allowed 5 pairs ? Pot eggs for some youngsters for others ( always single ). Some birds dont race to eggs, some dont race to youngbirds, some race driving ( let the hen sit take eggs away ). I know at 15 i wouldn't have been happy killing youngsters in the nest. Not meaning to be critical but there are many roads that lead to Rome. The most important thing at that age is to enjoy the birds not dread committing some distressing act. Just my humble opinion, Paul.
OLDYELLOW Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 Pot eggs for some youngsters for others ( always single ). Some birds dont race to eggs, some dont race to youngbirds, some race driving ( let the hen sit take eggs away ). I know at 15 i wouldn't have been happy killing youngsters in the nest. Not meaning to be critical but there are many roads that lead to Rome. The most important thing at that age is to enjoy the birds not dread committing some distressing act. Just my humble opinion, Paul. i have to agree , so its either pot eggs or fly widowhood and not have unwanted young birds but we all know theres birds that kick dummys out or lay at side of them with widowhood you wouldnt get those problems
Guest Vic Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 I raced natural for years due to strange work patterns. I can honestly say that I have never had to kill a youngster to achieve any success. I think if the youngsters get to that size it can be to your advantage in longer races if you feed them yourself that takes pressure off the parents and they take more food on board to feed youngsters who dont call (squeak) for it and it gives them added nuitrition. Just my opinion but i think the killing of youngbirds in the nest other than for health or development reasons is wrong and i think that to tell a 15 year old they have to do this to race natural is very wrong. It is not the end of the world to miss a race after all is it. Racing natural and not killing youngbirds in the nest won me the Fed Surelyaverages so cant be that wrong. You guys, must be throwing ybs all around the place, including hand feeding LOL. If You can't kill a fat heavy 14 day yb. Pack in! and this is coming from a guy who can't kill an OB , unless it is in stress.
Guest chrisss Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 apart from anything else ,screaming kill it, kill it to a 15 year old ,who is trying to get his parents ok to keep pigeons,and all of this on a public site is daft,i agree with vic 100% but why shout about it?
Guest youngzimmy Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 ASHA HAVE YOU ALWAYS BEEN A PRAT OR ARE YOU ON AN EXTENDED APRENTISHIP IE ALL YOUR LIFE I HAVE NEVER HEARD ONAYBOADY TALK SO MUCH PI-H
Blue Chequer Pied Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 I raced natural for years due to strange work patterns. I can honestly say that I have never had to kill a youngster to achieve any success. I think if the youngsters get to that size it can be to your advantage in longer races if you feed them yourself that takes pressure off the parents and they take more food on board to feed youngsters who dont call (squeak) for it and it gives them added nuitrition. Just my opinion but i think the killing of youngbirds in the nest other than for health or development reasons is wrong and i think that to tell a 15 year old they have to do this to race natural is very wrong. It is not the end of the world to miss a race after all is it. Racing natural and not killing youngbirds in the nest won me the Fed Surelyaverages so cant be that wrong. You guys, must be throwing ybs all around the place, including hand feeding LOL. If You can't kill a fat heavy 14 day yb. Pack in! and this is coming from a guy who can't kill an OB , unless it is in stress. What is your point here?
maverick Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 Why let a bird rear a youngbird for 14 days just to kill it what a waste of the birds energy get your dates right and no need to breed unwanted youngbirds
Blue Chequer Pied Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 I cannot believe in this day and age that so called fanciers would come on a public forum and say it is acceptable to kill perfectly healthy birds in the nest in the interest of winning a race. If you were as good as you claim you would stagger your birds in order to cover races. How many huntsmen do you think now regret there carefree attitude to foxhunting? The politically correct brigade are onto fishing now and how long until they target pigeon racing? Not long with some of the cr*p on here, we all need to make decisions now and again but we dont need to shout about it and turn it into some macho competition! Paul.
Blue Chequer Pied Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 I raced natural for years due to strange work patterns. I can honestly say that I have never had to kill a youngster to achieve any success. I think if the youngsters get to that size it can be to your advantage in longer races if you feed them yourself that takes pressure off the parents and they take more food on board to feed youngsters who dont call (squeak) for it and it gives them added nuitrition. Just my opinion but i think the killing of youngbirds in the nest other than for health or development reasons is wrong and i think that to tell a 15 year old they have to do this to race natural is very wrong. It is not the end of the world to miss a race after all is it. Racing natural and not killing youngbirds in the nest won me the Fed Surelyaverages so cant be that wrong. You guys, must be throwing ybs all around the place, including hand feeding LOL. If You can't kill a fat heavy 14 day yb. Pack in! and this is coming from a guy who can't kill an OB , unless it is in stress. Still waiting for an answer Vic
Guest Vic Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 What is your point here? I should imagine, that You will finish up like the old woman who lived in a shoe. It is impossible to have a successful loft without killing or selling or whatever. Too many Golden/Velvety tongues in this game today.
Guest chrisss Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 I cannot believe in this day and age that so called fanciers would come on a public forum and say it is acceptable to kill perfectly healthy birds in the nest in the interest of winning a race. If you were as good as you claim you would stagger your birds in order to cover races. How many huntsmen do you think now regret there carefree attitude to foxhunting? The politically correct brigade are onto fishing now and how long until they target pigeon racing? Not long with some of the cr*p on here, we all need to make decisions now and again but we dont need to shout about it and turn it into some macho competition! Paul. good post this one please take heed?
Blue Chequer Pied Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 Vic the difference is I dont need to tell the world about it but that is maybe down to common-sense and intellegence and not the need to appear tough. .
Guest Vic Posted February 16, 2009 Report Posted February 16, 2009 One of the reasons for sickness and losses within our game, is beause we have pitted our wits against nature, and the w/h boys must carry the cross for our failure. The darkening system has been another cross we, or most, will have to bear. But for the super "natural" guys like yourself, keep haunting!
Blue Chequer Pied Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 One of the reasons for sickness and losses within our game, is beause we have pitted our wits against nature, and the w/h boys must carry the cross for our failure. The darkening system has been another cross we, or most, will have to bear. But for the super "natural" guys like yourself, keep haunting! Vic you are off on a tangent. And nobody claimed to be 'super'. All I said is that you can win and not have to kill without cause. Paul.
Guest Vic Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 Have we not? Between us all, killed the very essence of Pigeon Racing, that I have, for one, devoted my life to!
jimmy white Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 think maybe this is the one your thinking of vic,, its been on the board all the time????
Guest Vic Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 ok Jim Thanks, but it had a lock on it when I tried to get back.
jimmy white Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 it shouldnt have ,,vic,, strange?
BLACK W F Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 i find this very strange a 15y/old being told not to race nat system unless he could kill 14 day old y/bs what a lot of crap i have raced many systems over the years never full widowhood just my own semi system and nat my old triple winning fed ck topped fed 3 weeks running feeding 2 y/bs and had plenty other good turns feeding big y/bs and Paul is 1 who would back this up no wonder our sport is dieing with stupid posts like this cheers Alan
Roland Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 Roland, you appear to be going up both sides of a dual carriageway in the one direction, Surely you can't house all the ybs you breed? Perhaps this is the reason, for your lack of successs! LOL. Vic. Later is rue only in part as to lack of sucess. And yes, I can quite easily house any and all youngsters I breed :-/ ... or they would have been bred! ;D ;D
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 vic,, strange? yes I agree jimmy, he is very strange ;D
Guest spin cycle Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 i would like to congratulate jamie on having a 'succsessful' thread (7o posts).....my last 2 threads have attracted just 1 reply (dizzy) ( tenners in the post strapper) i also hope the 'passion' some have shown hasn't put you off pigeons or this forum
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