The Toulet Clock

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Two votes allowed

Please use one vote for Options 1 to 4,

Please use one vote for option 5 to 7

 

Option 1. Ban to commence 2010       

Option 2. Allow 3 years for change over     

Option 3. Carry on as we are     

Option 4. Other

 

To Find out how many Toulets are being used as a No 1 clock.

Option 5. No Toulets in club at present     

Option 6. 1-2 Toulets in Club     

Option 7. 3 or more being used in club

 

 

With every year passing and more and more fanciers using ETS what are members opinions on the way forward for the old out dated Toulet clocks, might seem drastic to some fanciers but bearing in mind that there are many cheap STB clocks so fanciers not wishing to use ETS can still get a cheap STB for a small sum of money.

 

 

 

???? are there many members in your club that still uses a Toulet Clock, my own club has only one but believe that in 2010 this will not be in use by the member.

 

The reason why i have started this poll is i believe that these clocks have no place within a modern pigeon sport and a lot of the times these clock dials is just guess work with some clock setters.

 

cheers

Gareth

[Williedoo]

Has not been a toulet used in my club for years.Infact the clock cupboard in the club must have about 20 STBs in it that have'nt moved for years either.

[Guest bigda]

totally agree,  as to get rid of the dead wood also,  out of  the sport, we might  not have long to  go but i think moving forward would  be  far better than  sticking yer head in the sand  having the excuse of not  being able to  afford it, its of no use to anyone,  as  it  holds back progress,  and this is seen  on Manny actions as fanciers  don't want to send  for stray birds,  because they cant afford it,  that is not the  new way  for the sport,  your in  or your out, and to stop  kidding yourself  on,  that your a player.  sorry  have to say but thats reality  as like the skymaster, you voted on to rid, now the toulet, next the stb, then it will be the t2, followed  by the t 3,  so make it swift and we will move on  

[pjc]

i can't see any reason to ban any clock!

There are clubs around that still have a lot of toulets, if thats what members want then why stop them!

[weecunny]

think u need to forget the old clocks  . next u be getting banned if u no got ets  and a petron loft

[Runt3]

I have a Red STB and I don't won't a ETS

and i my club Old Bar no one has a ETS

I live in the Country in OZ and when

you live in the country no one gives a

about ETS

[Guest frank dooman]

why force any one especially older members who for one reason or another dont want to buy a new clock we can lose more members without forcing them out if they want to use the old clocks let them as long as the clock runs ok and they are happy why change!!!!!

[sammy]

why force any one especially older members who for one reason or another dont want to buy a new clock we can lose more members without forcing them out if they want to use the old clocks let them as long as the clock runs ok and they are happy why change!!!!!

 

think this is just a start as it wont belong untill all the other clocks are faced out as well

[Guest frank dooman]

 

think this is just a start as it wont belong untill all the other clocks are faced out as well

 

if it is then i will re-think my views about how long the sport has left we wont get ten years!!

[Runt3]

Is pigeon racing going to be like Nag racing

only if you have a lot of $$$$

[JADE]

Toulet clocks should have been phased out years ago. When races are decided by seconds in some cases how can you use a clock that as Gareth says is basically guess work if its between the lines on the dials. And the dials also move about when the clock is struck.  

[Guest frank dooman]

there was nothing wrong with it for fifty years or more, so whats changed about the Toulet ??

[Fair Play]

Do not see any reason to ban any clock most will be phased out by natural progression, not so long ago Schools banned the wearing of designer trainers and clothes as the were seen as a status symbols, not all families can afford them maybe that is how a lot of fanciers see ETS.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

there was nothing wrong with it for fifty years or more, so whats changed about the Toulet ??

 

Modern technologies which give a accurate time which cannot be said for Toulet clocks, will set any clock that is put in front of me as a clock setter but cant help but shake my head in disbelief after doing a mixture of ETS and T3's at the club clock checking to then read a Toulet, laughable.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

 

[Guest frank dooman]

Gareth i know what you mean i cant believe why some pay all the money to buy good birds and go to the bother to train etc. then stick them in a timepiece thats not right but i can under stand why some  one at over 70/80 doesnt want to fork out hundreds of pounds for how long ? as fair play says they will dissapear soon, infact most are away now, its been a good old clock we should just let it die away its self, no harm in that

[Guest IB]

It's a long time since I have used a Toulet, it was the only one I could afford at the time. Club has / had plenty in cupboard, but none used for years, and I think they phased / will phase themselves out, so I don't see a need for any action on them.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Do not see any reason to ban any clock most will be phased out by natural progression, not so long ago Schools banned the wearing of designer trainers and clothes as the were seen as a status symbols, not all families can afford them maybe that is how a lot of fanciers see ETS.

 

I do agree with you regarding natural progression but i believe we are at the end of the road with this phase and with very few in existence and now should be the time to hit on the head just as the sky master was done a few years ago.

Regarding your quote on status symbols this is exactly what the Toulet clock is and a outdated one at that, and banning this clock will only get us nearer to the uniform that i believe schools should have as i believe you do which would do the same for the pigeon sport by being more uniformal for all.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

PS

There are rules in some organisations which require all clocks to be checked of within 23 hours and this is because of these clocks with dials in them and to be truthful it can become a bit of a headache.

 

 

[Guest]

Gareth i know what you mean i cant believe why some pay all the money to buy good birds and go to the bother to train etc. then stick them in a timepiece thats not right but i can under stand why some  one at over 70/80 doesnt want to fork out hundreds of pounds for how long ? as fair play says they will dissapear soon, infact most are away now, its been a good old clock we should just let it die away its self, no harm in that

 

I agree with Frank, these old guys have been using their clocks for years and years so who are we to say they can't use them anymore.

Some clocks are handed down from generation to generation and it is  treated as an honour to own your father or granfathers clock.

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

I agree with Frank, these old guys have been using their clocks for years and years so who are we to say they can't use them anymore.

Some clocks are handed down from generation to generation and it is  treated as an honour to own your father or granfathers clock.

 

 

Even at the loss or gain of winning a race because of how the dials was read, though i do appreciate the honour of using a clock which has went through the generations.

 

 

[Roland]

 

I can't see any reason to ban any clock!

There are clubs around that still have a lot of toulettes, if that’s what members want then why stop them!

I agree wholeheartedly. There are many new starters, whose hard of a shilling! Only too pleased to start off with and use as such.

Sorry I again get that horrid 'We can afford’ so 'Stuff them' attitude that stinks!

Never mind if most can afford, and it in reality it matters not a jot to you that can afford better or ET's, etc. Just when and how it doesn't affect those THAT CAN afford one ‘State of the Art one! Shame! Shame on you! Time, (but it won't happen) for some to take a sit back and remember. Many 20 odds year olds that have a hard time with Mortgages, a couple of kids etc. etc. and a wife that sees money - in her realistic, and one bearing credence - money spent where it could and should go into the house hold in her view!

Gosh just where do some people get off, or live? Not in the real world and that’s for sure! Tis time I think for some to get off cuckoo cloud and face facts and reality!

If it means a poorer member using a toulet and give away every week a mass of time / seconds and eventually Trap Shy Birds’ to those that ‘Can Afford' then time surely to have compassion and not stick another boot in! Gosh just why should you care? Oh I know you want to beat them fair and square every week  and not have any advantage eh!

Or just feel you want to gloat and kick them when down and not give any chance, if possible, for them to get up eh!

What does it matter to you how he flies and clocks injust as long as he is able and can!

Oh I know, you want a whip round, or buy him / her a new ET set up!

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D you on the bevy again Roland

[Roland]

 

Modern technologies which give a accurate time which cannot be said for Toulet clocks, will set any clock that is put in front of me as a clock setter but cant help but shake my head in disbelief after doing a mixture of ETS and T3's at the club clock checking to then read a Toulet, laughable.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

Well said Gareth, And I presume you will be buying those poor sods whom you shake your head at, a new ET!

Get real! I think Frank Dooman has posted some reality in his last posts ... shame some are beyond realising that the sport, is expensive enough. That we are losing member hand over fist with such bolshie thoughts. Let them fly their birds and get some enjoyment. Sure they give you 20 seconds a bird, and yet  you'd rather not let them fly at all than just beat them every week!

Seems to me thay are the few left in this sport that are in it for the so called sport. Yet many would rather get shot of those that can't afford in an on going and relentless upmanship, of those that they are happy to beat and expliot every week with an obvious better clocking system!

Go and raise a few quid for them instead of some other so called 'Good Cause' and buy them a ET .... There problem which you wish to cause is easierly solved.

Yep the good news weeks brings all those with old timers a new state of the art Clocking system so that can A. race on parr with those that have, and no need to feel ashamed and have those condensending weary looks of those that just can't believe one has to still use one.AND BEING laughed at!

but cant help but shake my head in disbelief after doing a mixture of ETS and T3's at the club clock checking to then read a Toulet, laughable.

 

Oh happy days!

 

 

[Roland]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D you on the bevy again Roland

 

Yep, but as a wise man said, 'All truth needs a bit of the bevy (Achahole tic tic hee ) .... because the truth is so much more forth coming. Indeed the truth will out'1

And yes I might be nissed, but I feel for those that can't afford, and I certainly don't laugh at them and that's for sure.

Indeed I wouldn't use my ET until it is a level playing field for all.... I.e, All those that want one has one!

But then that's just me.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Well said Gareth, And I presume you will be buying those poor sods whom you shake your head at, a new ET!

Get real! I think Frank Dooman has posted some reality in his last posts ... shame some are beyond realising that the sport, is expensive enough. That we are losing member hand over fist with such bolshie thoughts. Let them fly their birds and get some enjoyment. Sure they give you 20 seconds a bird, and yet  you'd rather not let them fly at all than just beat them every week!

Seems to me thay are the few left in this sport that are in it for the so called sport. Yet many would rather get shot of those that can't afford in an on going and relentless upmanship, of those that they are happy to beat and expliot every week with an obvious better clocking system!

Go and raise a few quid for them instead of some other so called 'Good Cause' and buy them a ET .... There problem which you wish to cause is easierly solved.

Yep the good news weeks brings all those with old timers a new state of the art Clocking system so that can A. race on parr with those that have, and no need to feel ashamed and have those condensending weary looks of those that just can't believe one has to still use one.AND BEING laughed at!

but cant help but shake my head in disbelief after doing a mixture of ETS and T3's at the club clock checking to then read a Toulet, laughable.

 

Oh happy days!

 

 

Come again

 

 

[Roland]

Yep nissed, Been to the Pigeon Club meeting tonight. Doom and Gloom and more expence.... had to meet up with my sons and get nissed lol.

So what are we worrying about? Dearer subs. Dear birdage, and member tsking and sighing, and resignations coming in left right and centre! Why, only one answer to why and that's because! Because it's too dear for them! Simple that, and yet we make it even dearer.

Some youngster have joined, went courting ... Married Too dear. Packing up.

So now with this new downer of Classy timers they A. fed up with being / and won't be shown up any more B. They can't afford it … so pack up.

Fine lets fine a few more ways of kicking those that can't afford. Belittle them a mite more and place a few more stenches laid upon on them. So it makes a few more pack up, heaven knows we certainly afford that. And just why? I mean just what does it matter if a youngster get enjoyment out of using an old clock.... at least he's flying and paying subs and birdage! They brings in £150 at least that isn't shared between those of you haven't got shot of them... yet!

Topic closed for me as I'm getting peeved off with such selfish, thoughtless codswallop. Because there just isn't any reason whatsoever for it Let them fly, tetter and tatter behind their’ backs - they know you do any way, which is often another straw to heavy and they pack up.

Of course on the other hand there are far too many payers, and members in this sport, so be good to get rid of a few.