opinion on eye signs

[owen101]

was just wondering what everyones opinion is

 

if you read a book and it says its a good breeder

is it guaranteed or does it depend

 

whats your opinion

[Guest Owen]

Don't waste your time. It is a load of rubbish from start to finish. If you want to know the best pigeons for racing. Race them. If you want to know the best pigeons for breeding. Breed with them and test the young on the road.

And for goodness sake do not let a so called eyesign expert near your pigeons. They are dangerous.

If what they say was worth anything, they would be unbeatable at both breeding and racing. Before you take the slighltest notice of these quacks have a look at their flying record. That will tell you all you need to know.

[owen101]

the only reason i askk is when my dad had pigeons he had help from a man named les papp and he tld my dad what is worth keeping ad what will breed the goods and he was right

 

thats the reason i am asking

 

owen

[Guest bigbok]

you will always get different opinions and also different levels of competance from these eye sign experts i would go with what owen has said and not take much notice of these types of experts far better of listen to an expert on results than this type of information

[Roland]

Well, many roads lead to Rome.... and Eye Guru's are more plentiful than roads. Many have a little to no knowledge, which is dangerous. Other too much and bleat as such, though of course this will not be the same as anyone else's, so empty vessels ... :-/

So in my opinion, they should at least talk with same tongue, and speak the same results as each other. The main problem is that they can't even agree amongst themselves, and if any creedence is to be put into this theory, or faith, it makes it hard to build any.

However, I will say over the years, two have stood out and have had rave reviews and reports. Mr Eyesign himself Bill Carney - not the son so much - and of course Bob Flemmings Also called Mr EyeSign' strangely. I know that a Mr Vickers advertised a few years back and was kept busy. As was Bill - overly I think, and Bob. These filled halls - at least I know that Bob did regularly, and amongst the audience remember, it was a very mixed views and trials they'd put to him. Those to test and those to disprove! Never ever heard a bad word against Bob after any had attended his assemblies, only praise in fact even fsuprise via non believers. Likewise with Bill.

Remember, oh so many names that locke horns and views with Bob, and Bill was too much of a gentleman to sink low, but never ever seen either stuck, or failed to answer satifactory any question.

I'd put faith in Albear. He has his own gleaned method, and has spent time, and study to perfect his theories. Yes he has locked horns with many too lol.

But I have never seen a Guru that hasn't been derided, belittled or someone try to take them to the cleaners.

So outside of a Mr Dave Rogers, I could personally only point anyone to Albear to bear any merit if there is any to be had.

[Guest IB]

I try to approach these kinds of things with an open enquiring mind. Find out for myself what the theory says, and what it is based upon. Then look for likely answers to : does it make sense? Is it logical and biologically sound? etc.

[david.j]

Don't waste your time. It is a load of rubbish from start to finish. If you want to know the best pigeons for racing. Race them. If you want to know the best pigeons for breeding. Breed with them and test the young on the road.

And for goodness sake do not let a so called eyesign expert near your pigeons. They are dangerous.

If what they say was worth anything, they would be unbeatable at both breeding and racing. Before you take the slighltest notice of these quacks have a look at their flying record. That will tell you all you need to know.

 

couldnt agree more mate

[dwh]

I try to approach these kinds of things with an open enquiring mind. Find out for myself what the theory says, and what it is based upon. Then look for likely answers to : does it make sense? Is it logical and biologically sound? etc.

 

you can get a tumbler with good eyesign  

[Guest Hjaltland]

I try to approach these kinds of things with an open enquiring mind. Find out for myself what the theory says, and what it is based upon. Then look for likely answers to : does it make sense? Is it logical and biologically sound? etc.

 

Yes an open mind is the best way to approach theories.. this goes for all walks in life.. Above and beyond all other theories  however in this case is, the acid test... the basket. Fly out everything and pair best to best. There are few shortcuts in life. When you win with your birds their eyesign and evrything else about them will look good..!

 

All the best for the incoming year.

 

 

 

 

[dwh]

 

Yes an open mind is the best way to approach theories.. this goes for all walks in life.. Above and beyond all other theories  however in this case is, the acid test... the basket. Fly out everything and pair best to best. There are few shortcuts in life. When you win with your birds their eyesign and evrything else about them will look good..!

 

All the best for the incoming year.

 

 

 

 

well said your right its amazing how opinions change when the pigeon becomes a winner

[Guest Silverwings]

like it or not a pigeons eyes are its navigation system ! and i would prefer to to have pigeons with an active and observant navigation system than one without these qualities.........ray

[Guest strapper]

one member on pigeonchat asked any of the so called eyesign guys to prove eyesign really works..he was that convinced it doesnt that he put a thousand pound bet on it....he kept the money..so what does that tell you.

 

as i always say..if eyesign really works why do so many of these eyesign guys not have lofts full of great races?

[Guest bakes]

owen i like a nice racing eye or ruby but the only thing that will keep them in my loft is the basket that makes and break good or bad birds what ever you have left after the program there the birds you wont they can have skyblue pink eyes for me. but the basket dissides good racers and breeders and stock later on in life.

[gorsy bank lofts]

how many judges are prepared to judge an eyesign racing class

then have all the racing results for all the birds in that class put on pens after judging??????

not many and some red faces ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[showman]

If what they say was worth anything, they would be unbeatable at both breeding and racing.

 

Have always been unconvinced about eyesign, and this is always the thought I come up with. If eyesign was the be all and end all for picking good racers & breeders, surely a load of these boys would be practically unbeatable, and would be breeding winners in every nest.

[Wiley]

if the eyesign fanatic was winning every national, combine and federation races frequently id believe it then, i looked into the theory at one time but now through it at the door, i asked a fancier once when at an auction at blackpool, every pigeon he handled he took the eye glass out and looked at the pigeons eye, i asked him what he was looking for and he couldnt give me an answer. Watch these people at auctions its amazing how many people go through the motions just because they saw other people doing it.

[pjc]

Well, many roads lead to Rome.... and Eye Guru's are more plentiful than roads. Many have a little to no knowledge, which is dangerous. Other too much and bleat as such, though of course this will not be the same as anyone else's, so empty vessels ... :-/

So in my opinion, they should at least talk with same tongue, and speak the same results as each other. The main problem is that they can't even agree amongst themselves, and if any creedence is to be put into this theory, or faith, it makes it hard to build any.

However, I will say over the years, two have stood out and have had rave reviews and reports. Mr Eyesign himself Bill Carney - not the son so much - and of course Bob Flemmings Also called Mr EyeSign' strangely. I know that a Mr Vickers advertised a few years back and was kept busy. As was Bill - overly I think, and Bob. These filled halls - at least I know that Bob did regularly, and amongst the audience remember, it was a very mixed views and trials they'd put to him. Those to test and those to disprove! Never ever heard a bad word against Bob after any had attended his assemblies, only praise in fact even fsuprise via non believers. Likewise with Bill.

Remember, oh so many names that locke horns and views with Bob, and Bill was too much of a gentleman to sink low, but never ever seen either stuck, or failed to answer satifactory any question.

I'd put faith in Albear. He has his own gleaned method, and has spent time, and study to perfect his theories. Yes he has locked horns with many too lol.

But I have never seen a Guru that hasn't been derided, belittled or someone try to take them to the cleaners.

So outside of a Mr Dave Rogers, I could personally only point anyone to Albear to bear any merit if there is any to be had.

 

I was with Bill on Sunday, he if listened to can demonstrate all the reasons behind the theory but it still takes the right management to get anything out of even the best bird!

[Guest Silverwings]

was once told by one of the finest fanciers in of our area ( i was about 17 at the time) he said the imortal words " eye sign is all eyewash you might as well look up there *expletive removed* son" a few years later i saw him judging an eye sign class at one of the major shows i had to restrain my self as not to embarass him but quietly commented on the quality of the arses on the birds he was judging at that time ..............as for 'eye sign' if it creates an interest in the sport why knock it ? a lot of fanciers when given a bird to handle make straight for the pigeons eyes with there fingers and say "nice vent bones on this one mate " so may be this is where we have all been going wrong ? ...............ray

[Roland]

I was with Bill on Sunday, he if listened to can demonstrate all the reasons behind the theory but it still takes the right management to get anything out of even the best bird!

 

Exactly... we all need excuses to measure up to the standard we want. When 'Mr Basket' ha s done he's job and too many birs left then we need another yardstick to measure up to to make the call for the cull.

[schouwman71]

never been to a top racing loft yet and handled pigeons that have bred many winners with a bad eyesign,yet ive been and handled pigeons that have been bought for lots of money only to be outed 2 years later for breeding crap,and ive looked at there eyes when they were bought and even told the fancier that if he breeds winners from them ill give him what he paid for them.

 

les

[Roland]

Like  Bob Flemmings use to say,' Many a bad pigeon may have a good eye, but never a good pigeon with a bad eye'!

[schouwman71]

i once had a good sootjen cock,think he won around 10x1sts many 2nds,he had a flat orange eye,was a superb racer,when i stopped him i bred quit a few off him hoping he was going to fill my loft with winners,i was wrong,they were a load of rubbish,i bought a sootjen cock from j.salt,kimberly notts,he had an outstanding gun metal eye,well,he bred winners from the 1st nest,i know many people pull eyesign down but its all part of a good make up of the pigeon,let there eyes go too weak and you have lost the blood,ive seen it many times.

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

 

couldnt agree more mate

 

this makes i unanimous  3 for 3  ;D  ;D  ;D

[jimbhoy29]

if it can see then its got good eyes for me

[andy]

Better using your own eyes to look up the birds *expletive removed*!