belg plastic life rings

[Guest neil]

having had a look at the rings i can see they may well be open to abuse but why(not how i have a good idea how)?

If i had a good old bird why would i risk pulling him about and removing his life just to fly a few young bird races and as we all know even that is no certainty.

Neil

 

 

[kirky]

having had a look at the rings i can see they may well be open to abuse but why(not how i have a good idea how)?

If i had a good old bird why would i risk pulling him about and removing his life just to fly a few young bird races and as we all know even that is no certainty.

Neil

 

he would be able to win yb prizes also yearling prizes so its more than a few races, as the rings are thay are not safe,

 

 

[Beanz]

Nobody has yet demonstrated how they are not safe, they have been asked but not responded.

 

 

                                                             Paul

[chichichi]

Here is a video put on youtube last year,, I think they were trying to prove the rings couldn't be shrunk after making them bigger,,

 

I think with a little more experimenting they could heat the ring up and then get it on tight and then re heat and clamp it back to a size that it started from,,

 

the vidoe shows the rings can be made bigger,, I expect you could also re heat and shrink with the right tools..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl6F1FJ6HNo

 

what are your thoughts on this..

 

ant

[melph]

There not the same as the belg ones ant. As they don't have the ETS part on them

[bluey]

Viewed the link and it is not conclusive. It does not show enough time for the heated ring to cool down and go back to original size.

 

What ever, in my opinion the all plastic ring should not be disqualified permanently and should be eligible for old bird racing.

[chichichi]

I know that ,, but expect the rings are made of the same stuff,,

 

ant

[chichichi]

Bluey I think the ring in the video is cold.. but who knows..

 

all the video shows is that plastic rings can be stretched ,, if heat is then applied again while on the leg could it be shrunk with out visual signs of tampering,, who knows??

 

the debate will go on and on..

 

ant

[Guest WINGS 04]

Would you burn the bird trying to get the ring  

Back down

[Guest neil]

having taken a couple of minutes looking at these rings(yes they dont look safe) in the hand it was an eye opener,never bought the heat up and expand idea and still dont,the answer i would like answered is why would you want to do this

[chichichi]

Neil some will do anything to get an edge,, 20 - 30 yearling widowhood cocks rung with young bird rings could do some damage in young bird racing,,

 

Some will always try to beat the rules,, or bend them,, Many have been caught in the past..

 

ant

[Guest neil]

Ant

You cant cheat yourself ever,if you gave me a failsafe way i like allmost all fanciers would not dream of doing anything of the sort.

Neil

[gangster]

what a crock of crap!! ring in vid totally different from belg rings, im not convinced

[chichichi]

Ant

You cant cheat yourself ever,if you gave me a failsafe way i like allmost all fanciers would not dream of doing anything of the sort.

Neil

 

Neil totally agree,, Can't imagine why people would do it..

 

I do not have the rings here,, Maybe someone could do some research and try to do it ,,

 

If someone wants to send me a ring I will try.. I will video my atempts for you all to see..

 

This will only affect 2010 rings,, 2011 will have metal inserts in..

 

message me if anyone wants to send me a ring for me to try it out..

 

ant

[Guest beautyhomer]

The video dosn't show the ring being made bigger.It could easily be a fancy pigeon ring that was that size to start with!

[Beanz]

Here is a video put on youtube last year,, I think they were trying to prove the rings couldn't be shrunk after making them bigger,,

 

I think with a little more experimenting they could heat the ring up and then get it on tight and then re heat and clamp it back to a size that it started from,,

 

the vidoe shows the rings can be made bigger,, I expect you could also re heat and shrink with the right tools..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl6F1FJ6HNo

 

Ant,

      When they tried to heat them in water the only thing that happened was the numbers came off so they would not be of any use anyway.

 

 

                                                                    Paul

 

what are your thoughts on this..

 

ant

 

 

[Guest lenwadebob]

what a crock of crap!! ring in vid totally different from belg rings, im not convinced

 

Totally agree Mick. Complete paranoia. It's only a theory and as yet no one has come up with a conclusive answer as to whether these plastic rings can be tampered with.

 

My thoughts on them are this. To apply sufficient heat to expand a plastic ring in order to slip over an adult pigeons leg would result in disfiguring the ring. Plastic does not contract to its original form when allowed to cool naturally, at least not to the degree required to be noticeable, therefore the same amount of heat would need to be applied to the ring in order for it to be reduced to it's original size.

The same theory also applies to metal rings, yet we have accepted them for generations without this paranoia.

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

Totally agree Mick. Complete paranoia. It's only a theory and as yet no one has come up with a conclusive answer as to whether these plastic rings can be tampered with.

 

My thoughts on them are this. To apply sufficient heat to expand a plastic ring in order to slip over an adult pigeons leg would result in disfiguring the ring. Plastic does not contract to its original form when allowed to cool naturally, at least not to the degree required to be noticeable, therefore the same amount of heat would need to be applied to the ring in order for it to be reduced to it's original size.

The same theory also applies to metal rings, yet we have accepted them for generations without this paranoia.

 

PS.

 

For years, since the introduction of the plastic (polycarbonate) coated aluminium ring life ring (Combi-ring), manufacturers have been trying to resolve the problem of the plastic cracking on these rings (A problem which many of us have encountered) The problem arises due to the fact that the plastic does not expand and contract, to anywhere near the same degree as the aluminium, hence the plastic cracks under pressure.

A little experiment you can all try yourselves, as I have done this morning. Place a 2010 RPRA ring, and an ALL PLASTIC Belgian ring, into a boiling kettle and keep on the boil for 10 minutes, and see what happens to the plastic, IT CRACKED on the RPRA ring and the Belgian ring was stable, with no increase or decrease in inside diameter. This in itself should be proof enough that trying to expand the all plastic Belgian ring large enough to enable it to slip over a full grown pigeons foot, is an impossibility as it will not expand or contract sufficiently, without cracking.

[ovy1255]

if a union decides to ban another unions ring then resons and test results should be given and published ,i agree with change but let the members know what and why things are done.

i was told that the NWHU done tests and passed these rings?-they did do tests-i was reliably informed.

[Guest neil]

the question i posed was why would anyone want to change the rings to gain an advantage?and would it be worth it.

secondly if anyone has a few plastic belge rings i could have to put a theory to the test then i would try it and let you all see the result.

[pigeonpete]

the question i posed was why would anyone want to change the rings to gain an advantage?and would it be worth it.

secondly if anyone has a few plastic belge rings i could have to put a theory to the test then i would try it and let you all see the result.

 

Dont know why anyone would want to cheat mate, BUT im afraid there is always 1 in every sport im afraid!!

 

As for these belgium rings, has someone been caught cheating then?? Never seen or heard of any evidence  :-/