Top Lofts

[Mealy Cock]

Out of interest, has anybody purchased stock or young birds from fanciers who have had phenomenal wins over the odds?

 

Have you found your stock or young birds gone on to win or breed winners, I read and listened to fanciers saying I bought Joe blogs birds and they was rubbish, is that because the fancier was not up the mark or was It the birds you purchased were no good, or was there other factors you feel were the cause or other idears why?

 

Opinions please

 

[jack]

i think it is what ever way you race pigeons top flyers have there systems down to a T

the sooner the better people stand back and say will i have the money and time that the best of the best  flyers but in to there birds

the big boys are in it for money not for the love of the sport .

[peterpau]

I've had birds from various top lofts and generaly end up with 1  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Mealy Cock]

I've had birds from various top lofts and generaly end up with 1  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

What in your opinion would you put that down to.

[Roland]

i think it is what ever way you race pigeons top flyers have there systems down to a T

the sooner the better people stand back and say will i have the money and time that the best of the best  flyers but in to there birds

the big boys are in it for money not for the love of the sport .

 

I both Mick. Both sport and money ... Their' nature is that they want the pastime / Hobby, but quickly also want to make it pay. First off just to cover costs, then a dual purpose for money with credit and  'Winning'. An unbeatable combination, as most move to purchase a prime location to boot. Yes some stay just where they are granted... In a good location lol.

So they also very often have 'Mr Wind' working for them too etc. etc.

[adam owen]

no matter what birds you buy u will never get there system so it could take longer to get the birds winning straght away if they cant adapt to your way of racing

[demolition man]

Bad workman always blame there tools, jmo

[pigeonpete]

well, i have bought birds, or been gifted birds off top flyers, and not done much yet, but i have also given some good flyers ybs and they have won with them, but done nowt for me!! so yes would say the man and the system, and there housekeeping makes a big difference......

 

And time helps  

 

But im happy as i am, only 1 way to go when your winning every week

[peterpau]

 

What in your opinion would you put that down to.

 

Kind of says to me if all birds are treated the same you're only gonna get an odd 1 that's any good and statistically that just has to be correct. Doesn't it ?????????????????   :)

 

 

[Novice]

I have had birds from various top lofts.

Some produce winner some don't.

I think it depends on just how lucky you are buying quality pigeons, whether they will work to your location and if they fit in with your system.

Once you have bought them you simply breed and race till you have birds which win on your system at the type of racing you enjoy.

[Guest youngboy]

i purchased a pair of stock birds from tumley stud janssen lines ( i no a pedigree doesn make a pigeon but has great winning disances lines in there blood) . They were i lovly condintion feathering perfect,health,broght eyes, and well balanced pigeons i was really happy with them and i have ybs from them now and great feeders so we will see how dey go

i crossed them into my janssen stock.

[paddymac]

Bad workman always blame there tools, jmo

 

Totally agree, although I don't blame anyone but myself. I take a relaxed attitude when it comes to my birds and don't take things too serious as I enjoy my birds as a hobby. I have gifted birds to friends who have scored quite well with my birds as well as their off-spring out to flying France at 500mls. On the network site there is a local fancier who had a feature article done on him A. Mc Crudden and he stated the best bird he had was a hen he got from myself that went on to breed him birds responsible for 11x1st fed wins, but he was willing to put the work in. I believe if you have good birds you must give them 100% to get the best out of them.

[JohnQuinn]

I like the saying "you can buy the birds but not the man" but reality is a bit clearer. If a TOP fancier breeds 60 yb's a year, by the yearling stage he'll have say 35 to race. By the 2yr old stage that will be more like 15 left to send 500 mls. IF he scores with 3 of them or even 4, he's had a good years breeding that year. So going to buy 10 off the guy the odds are still Very much against you having bought a top pigeon. Simple really!

[paddymac]

Its the chance you take but totally agree John

[dwh]

YOU  BUY THE PIGEON NOT THE MAN :-/

[peterpau]

What's this about bad work men blame ther tools. If you buy from National winning lofts it gives you a chance of getting better birds. It doesn't mean they are all winners. The top lofts in the coutry still lose and dispose of birds just less than most.

[dwh]

What's this about bad work men blame ther tools. If you buy from National winning lofts it gives you a chance of getting better birds. It doesn't mean they are all winners. The top lofts in the coutry still lose and dispose of birds just less than most.

 

agree to a point the (clser to the tree etc ) but some pigeons just don't adapt to your system jmo

[budgie]

I like the saying "you can buy the birds but not the man" but reality is a bit clearer. If a TOP fancier breeds 60 yb's a year, by the yearling stage he'll have say 35 to race. By the 2yr old stage that will be more like 15 left to send 500 mls. IF he scores with 3 of them or even 4, he's had a good years breeding that year. So going to buy 10 off the guy the odds are still Very much against you having bought a top pigeon. Simple really!

Thats when the 98% Shi-te rule kicks in and sometimes you may only get 1 to score out of 500mls.You could count in 1 hand how many good pigeons you have and remember Good Pigeons who are breeding and leaving Pigeons are not for sale unless they are by there Sell By Date. and aged at that