Hawkes BOP is NOT our problem!

[Roland]

 

No it isn't hawkes or BOP that is  a achilles heel in our sport - sorry game in Poutry... We can't be bother to even get recognised as a sport!!! :o

But you know, once again, and forever we get, and will do, the repeats 'Advice nded' in regards Hawks and BOP. Sorry but it just hammers home the fact, as I see it, that the vast majority just want to sit back and whinge, hoping and expecting some magic wand to appear to champion our phlighyt - definately not a 'Cause' because again the vast majority want to sit on back sides.

I of course am NOT refering to the Novice newbie her. But lets face it, Bilco, Les, and many more have put forward so many time time sensible, and feasible, and very practical ways of what to do, and what we should be doing...

Why aren't we? Apathy.... not even that! More like what I say above, take it leave, and if irks, then good for no appoligy will ever be forth coming. Cap fit :-/ :-/ Then wear it.

[Guest numpty01]

will roland at last i understand you yes in the world of fanciers we see it every day the same as any sport talk and sit down the word push for what you want is not known to most in life  and pigeons are no diffrent all our unions should be on this .if you take the rpra with nearly million quid in bank why is some not being used to get message out there that the level of hawks is detrimental to all birds . if you take the eagle owl just think that the rspb immeadiatly demand its culled purely because it favioures not bird life it kills them now i beleave with pooled effort by unions we could go forward and get this sport sorted out and the only way is by the members getting this sport?regonised the scribes can help by week in week out pushing for us instead of pushing for money makers one scribe spends half his time on one lofts and loft visits lets give um something to write about pile letters into bhw and all the scribes and see what they do for us not themselfs

[pigeonpete]

will roland at last i understand you yes in the world of fanciers we see it every day the same as any sport talk and sit down the word push for what you want is not known to most in life  and pigeons are no diffrent all our unions should be on this .if you take the rpra with nearly million quid in bank why is some not being used to get message out there that the level of hawks is detrimental to all birds . if you take the eagle owl just think that the rspb immeadiatly demand its culled purely because it favioures not bird life it kills them now i beleave with pooled effort by unions we could go forward and get this sport sorted out and the only way is by the members getting this sport?regonised the scribes can help by week in week out pushing for us instead of pushing for money makers one scribe spends half his time on one lofts and loft visits lets give um something to write about pile letters into bhw and all the scribes and see what they do for us not themselfs

 

 

didnt know you could write so much! lol ;-)

 

[Guest numpty01]

nor me ??sorry roland ;D ;D

[Roland]

Sadly one must remember that the RPRA are governed, and frightened of the members out cry - yes quite posibly to retain the feathered nests etc.

But like the  PR Firms that they wished, and put feelers out for, the MEMEBERS out cries are of 'Don't you dare spend our money on thet'!

Could have, and should have BOTH things up and running yonks ago. When too many wasn't affected, they couldn't and selfishly wouldn't see further than the end of their noses.

Having said that Most won't take note, nor stock of Bilco, Les etc. proven and worthwhile appoach and ehelp them selfs.... yet will again soon be spouting 'Hardships' and Blumming Bop Hawks etc.   :o

Fortunately I am not affected, but have in place already means to deter and counter them if need be. If only those that keep asking, would actually do the same!

then the burden would be lightened substantialy.

[Roland]

Also, why oh why isn't there a fund for buying and releasing eagle Owls!  :-/ :-/

Perfectly legal as they are now classed as a native bird.

Believe £400 was the asking price 6 years ago... a lot less now. Indeed a lot less than what many would spend on a pigeon! :-/

[Guest numpty01]

we did start  one if you look back and few were prepared to hold and breed them includeing myself but as our other try of save our birds it disapeared into thin air now if anyone wants to start eagle owl breeding and showing ????stud then great lets get one going and even if donateions were forth coming then we are on to wninner as we know how well they fly and hunt   ;) ;)

[Blue Chequer Pied]

Also, why oh why isn't there a fund for buying and releasing eagle Owls!  :-/ :-/

Perfectly legal as they are now classed as a native bird.

Believe £400 was the asking price 6 years ago... a lot less now. Indeed a lot less than what many would spend on a pigeon! :-/

 

Some going for as little as £80 to £120 now.

 

Paul.

[pigeonpete]

 

Some going for as little as £80 to £120 now.

 

Paul.

 

where can you buy them? and would they get on with the pigeons? dont want to breed them and release only to be plagued with eagle owls then :-)

[jimmy_bulger]

are you sure it is legal to release them into the wild here and also are you sure they are classed as native species,as there was a lot of doubt about this on here a year ago.

[OLDYELLOW]

are you sure it is legal to release them into the wild here and also are you sure they are classed as native species,as there was a lot of doubt about this on here a year ago.

 

well we are european and so is owl and theres a few dotted about living in the wild so must be a native species now

[jimmy_bulger]

i only ask because if it is legal i am more than prepared to buy and release a matched pair in my locality

[OLDYELLOW]

need a licence to release i think but if birds escaped accidently then they must be native bred ones , need a nice sized wood where there be plenty of prey rodents rabbits ectra  

[jimmy_bulger]

i would rather buy from a registered breeder with licence and let him release them for me,he knows what hes doing

[OLDYELLOW]

i would rather buy from a registered breeder with licence and let him release them for me,he knows what hes doing

 

think problem would be is R.S.P.B wouldnt want to licence the release of these birds  :-/

[pigeonpete]

if i kept an eagle owl in an aviary would it keep the hawks away? and would the pigeons get used to it?

[Roland]

we did start  one if you look back and few were prepared to hold and breed them includeing myself but as our other try of save our birds it disapeared into thin air now if anyone wants to start eagle owl breeding and showing ????stud then great lets get one going and even if donateions were forth coming then we are on to wninner as we know how well they fly and hunt   ;) ;)

 

Now if we wish to cook on gas, I say no time like the present eh! 8) 8)

 

 

[pigeonpete]

 

Now if we wish to cook on gas, I say no time like the present eh! 8) 8)

 

 

 

count me in! ;-)

 

 

[Guest vining45]

i got a european eagle owl 10ft away from my loft and the pigeons take no notice of it nor did the hawk weds

[Roland]

I will, with Richards’s permission, run a race programme for a certain night.

10 races. Including Dogs, Steeplechases, Hurdles, Flats and Pig races.

Then when at a appropriate 'Fund - Raisers' come available, that I am doing, I will get the winners and finishing orders FROM that night!

Maybe we can have Horses sold and Jockey’s too. Like £3 to buy a Horse... £15 paid to winner. Jockey’s sold, say at £2 each, paying £9 to the winner.... or £5 for the two, then £25 to the winner.

Totes betting based on 50% / 50% payout, I.e. ‘All wagers in £1 units. One may have as many units as one wishes to buy in £1 units and as many bets on as many runners in any race. That would then be 50% to the winners that bet the winning numbers and 50% to the cause.

Would need independent name(s) to take the cash in, and then to send out the cheques etc. Of course any and all expenses paid out from the fund.

If interested please say so, and perhaps we could start another heading / topic especially for the fund! Of course donations would be gladly accepted. Indeed the 10 races could be sponsored say for £25 each and the races named after this. I will put up the names, of the runners and riders of each race in a program form.

Indeed one can even have separate 'Races' where they sell in the runners and riders at work / home and then they will know that £25 of the £40 would being going to their home / works etc. and all have a winner.

Now how many times the 'Races' can be sold is immaterial, as each race then would have multiple winners etc. But every winner would get £15 or £9 or the £40!

Will explain more as and when needs be.... That’s if folks are interested.

I will not handle the money though! I can think of some good names on here that hold credence and as such well trusted.... But I will work hand in hand throughout with them all!

[walterbmasson]

OLD YELLOW WHO GAVE THE RSPB PERMISSION TO RELEASE PERIGAINS INTO CATHEDERALS WHY DOES THE MEN OF THE CLOTH STOP THEM EVERY TOWN THAT HAS THEM EAGLE OWLS SHOULD ALSO BE RELEASED BESIDE THEM IF ITS POSIBLE TO MOVE THEM I AM SURE IT WOULD BE THE BEGINING TO HIT BACK AT THESE( WILD) PROTECTED HAND FED KILLERS  2 FOR THE ST FERGUS GAS TERMINAL WOULD GET RID OF A SAFE HOUSE I WOULD SAY EVERY PLANT HAS THEM ITS TIME TO HIT BACK ( WEVE TAKEN ENOUGH CRAP FROM THIS SO CALLED DO GOODERS WHY TAKE ANY MORE YES PAUL WHERE DO YOU GET THEM AT

[Blue Chequer Pied]

OLD YELLOW WHO GAVE THE RSPB PERMISSION TO RELEASE PERIGAINS INTO CATHEDERALS WHY DOES THE MEN OF THE CLOTH STOP THEM EVERY TOWN THAT HAS THEM EAGLE OWLS SHOULD ALSO BE RELEASED BESIDE THEM IF ITS POSIBLE TO MOVE THEM I AM SURE IT WOULD BE THE BEGINING TO HIT BACK AT THESE( WILD) PROTECTED HAND FED KILLERS  2 FOR THE ST FERGUS GAS TERMINAL WOULD GET RID OF A SAFE HOUSE I WOULD SAY EVERY PLANT HAS THEM ITS TIME TO HIT BACK ( WEVE TAKEN ENOUGH CRAP FROM THIS SO CALLED DO GOODERS WHY TAKE ANY MORE YES PAUL WHERE DO YOU GET THEM AT

 

There was one in Scotads two weeks ago Walter. £80 I think. Does the fed need a new mascot? It might attract all the young Harry Potter fans who now love owl's and we could introduce them to pigeon racing. The fed mascot could go round the schools doing visits  

 

Paul.

[Roland]

One must remember -WITHOUT doubt - that the RSPB will tinker at us. State this and that, and use every subtle trick in the book to thawt any movement on our part.

Like when we threathen - well some of us - to hold all the birds in and not race, Yes it would have caused a lot of distress to the BOP's meal times and youngsters.... Slagged and slighted of as a 'No hoper' by the RSPB - Who were worried for their birds meals only! It would have had catostrophic effects on the youngsters in the nests.

Simple put the RSPB only want us to provide they BOP with meals FULL STOP!

Simple IGNORE them!!! ... Remember when the POUR Invertimin was discover to do hawks no  good! The adverts stating that Rapture / BOP handlers USED it themselve etc. Was true BUT NOT the Pour on! So that died a death and the RSPB laughed again at us!

We will have several here trying to state this that and the other to off put and decry it / us. Unfortunately many faint heart will rather go along with them as an excuse to stay dormant!

the Saddle works, is legal. Trapping and removing of certain species is legal! etc. etc.

So as the Goverment, and our governing body daren't do oat, it must be upto the genine fancier to act.... within the law granted.... AND NOT according to what the RSPB would have you believe.

Jimmy White has TWICE now posted the legalities and each time - and more no one acted... We must act, and gain momentum and start protecting our birds in any legal way possible. And if certain bodies don't appreciate it.... then tough, for one thing they certain don't care for us!!

[walterbmasson]

I WILL GLADLY GO ROUND SCHOOLS TO LET THE YOUNGSTERS KNOW ABOUT THE RSPB AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR THE DEMISE OF ALL SONG BIRDS AND THAT THE EAGLE OWL IS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE WHAT IS LEFT I BET IT WOULD NOT BE LONG BEFORE IT WAS STOPPED I AM SURE FANCIERS WOULD RALLY ROUND TO BUY SOME PAIRS (I) WOULD CERTAINLY VOLINTEER TO SEE THAT THEY WOULD GET RELEASED AT THE PROPER LOCATIONS

[Roland]

I WILL GLADLY GO ROUND SCHOOLS TO LET THE YOUNGSTERS KNOW ABOUT THE RSPB AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR THE DEMISE OF ALL SONG BIRDS AND THAT THE EAGLE OWL IS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE WHAT IS LEFT I BET IT WOULD NOT BE LONG BEFORE IT WAS STOPPED I AM SURE FANCIERS WOULD RALLY ROUND TO BUY SOME PAIRS (I) WOULD CERTAINLY VOLINTEER TO SEE THAT THEY WOULD GET RELEASED AT THE PROPER LOCATIONS

 

Yep likewise! Perhaps the Save our Songbirds / I. B. etc. etc. on here etc. can produce a little help in regards literature.

Literature is the art of written works. Literally translated, the word means "acquaintance with letters" however a little buff and where to obtain would also be more than useful.