rspb legal loop hole ?

[REDROCKET]

im just wondering lots of these bop have registration rings on them now if you caught the attack on film and caught the bop would you have a leg to stand on in court to sue the rspb your thoughts please.

[Guest shadow]

no they can be no more responsible for escaped birds than a cat owner whose cat kills your birds they will say its natural :( :(

[REDROCKET]

looks like the loop hole is in there favour then?

[BANDIT]

IN THE UK YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR HOME WITH REASONABLE FORCE, IF YOUR A FARMER YOU CAN SHOOT A PET DOG THAT IS CHASING YOUR SHEEP, YOU CAN TRAP A WILD CAT OR FOX AND BRING TO THE RSPCA TO DEAL WITH, BIRDS OF PREY IS DIFFERENT CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHY, ILL DO WHAT I CAN TO PROTECT MY BIRDS IN AND ARROUND THE LOFT,THE RSPB PUT THESE BIRDS OF PREY INTO THE CITIES AND COUNTRYSIDE WITHOUT THINKING OF THE LONG TERM PROBLEMS, WHEN ALL THE SMALL BIRDS ARE GONE WHAT ARE THET GOING TO FEED THESE PREDATORS THEN, FOOD FOR THOUGHT .  RSPB   IS SUPPOSED TO STAND FOR   ROYAL SOC PROTECTION OF BIRDS  IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO RSPP . BANDIT

[gangster]

bandit they have little or no interest in any other spiecies of birds  other than the  bop..... and with there clever pr work  joe public soaks up all there spin,so until we employ a top pr/spin doctor we will always be seen as low lifes....

[les]

the only legal loop hole we got [i have said it before ]is if you get caught killing a BOP you simply say YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A X BREED .and you want a test done to prove otherwise ,then if they do and your wrong then you simply made a mistake ,it was not done intentionaly .

[BANDIT]

MICK I AGREE WITH YOU, IF WE FOR 1 OR 2 YEARS WE GAVE ALL THE MONEY RAISED THAT NORMALLY GOES TO CHARITY TO A SPIN DOCTER OR GOOD PR MAN WE WOULD ATLEAST BE TRYING TO FIGHT FOR OUR CAUSE, THE POLITIONS HAVE A SHORT MEMORY WHAT ABOUT ALL THE SERVICE MEN SAVED BY OUR GALANT BIRDS OR THE BLOOD SAMPLES BEING CARRIED BY PIGEONS TO HOSPITALS IN THE UK. WE SHOULD ALSO START A BREEDING PROGRAM FOR EAGLE OWLS AND GET THEM REALEASED INTO THE WILDS TO COMBAT THE PEREGRAINS   . WE ALL DO A LOT OF TALKING BUT ITS TIME NOW TO ACT  CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME OUR BIRDS HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE AND  NOT BE MURDERED BY THESE KILLERS OF THE SKY.  BANDIT

[gangster]

if anythings 2 be done it needs 2 be off the public forums as they are watching them..also there are 1 or 2 known who would spill the beans  because they are still bitter as proven by what they did on the tooth n claw forum ...so in private i think is safest...    

[Guest IB]

Reminds me of the case brought to court of a man accused of shooting racing pigeons. His defence was that he didn't know they were racing pigeons. He was told if he didn't know that they were not racing pigeons, then he shouldn't have been shooting at them in the first place. He was found guilty.

[blaz]

no they can be no more responsible for escaped birds than a cat owner whose cat kills your birds they will say its natural :( :(

 

i know of a case aganist a cat owner who,s cat killed a pigeon in a guys loft. the court ruled that the cat owner had to pay the price of the bird.

[Roland]

no they can be no more responsible for escaped birds than a cat owner whose cat kills your birds they will say its natural :( :(

 

Sorry Shaddow, just Not true! Cat are, and can be held responcible, and owners liable for any property / creatures etc. they harm or kill.

Been done times.

Further it is a myth that Cats have the right to roam' it just isn't so.

Now if a cat kills a pigeon, proof may be awkward to prove. DNA etc costs a lot. Blood samples a lot less. But several sucessful prosecutions have taken place.

[BANDIT]

no dought their is rspb members watching and id say maybe a few members on forum with some replys ive seen on this forum and others.theirs alot of talk but not much action going on, talk to councilors and your mp s and lobby them the legal route nothing the rspb can do about that.  bandit

[Roland]

bandit they have little or no interest in any other spiecies of birds  other than the  bop..... and with there clever pr work  joe public soaks up all there spin,so until we employ a top pr/spin doctor we will always be seen as low lifes....

 

Like your use of the 'Clever' PR work.... something I'm been beating the drum to no avail for a decade and more.

RPRA, Like I say, the RPRA daren't contrive to use a £1 of each members money to get this up and running.... the members believe  - in general - that the Rich and Able should be only to willing to do it for them. That would mean giving up valuable time running a buisness, and using  / paying people that work for them, or to pay people to do it.... and expect a fluent 'Mouth piece' to boot to deal with the general public. Yet every turn we are thawted by PR firms employed by the RSPB.  :-/ :-/

Simply put, a £1 a year is too dear a cost to help their pigeons not being eaten alive by BOP. :-/ :-/

Explain someone, any one, how it can be different!!! :o

Obvious that isn't it.

Use to be rife 'Well I would personally .... but you know the other won't.... and that meant No one does etc. a very few of us! Would I pay a £1 a year to save our pigeons from being eaten a live by BOP .... Answer, No, we will moan and whinge till someone else does... or till I pack up  is the answer P.s. and don't you dare spend a £1 for a PR firm to help out!!! And PPS stuff them and the think tank, and their POLITICAL corridors, and links with the media.... Gret someone else to do it... anyone bar me.... and my £1 :o

Where am i wrong?

[Roland]

Personally I believe that we would seriously be looking at £30,000 per annum for a GOOD reliable PR Firm. Ongoing and as a 'Mouth Piece. Built in think tank to put it over in the right prspective in view of the 'Public would preseeve it.

£1 EACH member  would be great levied by the RPRA, SHU, Welsh etc. Also tie in many others Land owners, SOS brigade etc.

This is a Guide only, and cheap would mean just some chick going cheep cheep I fear.

 

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[BANDIT]

VERY GOOD POSTS ROLAND, BUT ALAS WE WONT DO ANYTHING WE WILL LEAVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO WILL LEAVE IT TO  SOMEONE ELSE AND SO ON. BANDIT

[gangster]

THE BIG QUESTION IS ARE WE ALL GOING 2 SIT BACK UNTIL THERE IS NO SPORT LEFT OR ARE WE GOING 2 PUSH EVEN AT REGIONAL LEVEL THAT WE DO MORE 2 PROTECT THE FUTURE OF OUR SPORT?????

[les]

Let me ask every one a simple question ,because no one seem to realize the truth ,[WHAT CAN ,OR WILL BE DONE BY ANY GOVERNING BODY including the RSPB  TO SOLVE OUR HAWK PROBLEM ] NOTHIN, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING,when will it sink in ,i have said this on another forum [THE RSPB WILL NOT HELP TO KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE THAT IS LAYING SO MANY GOLDEN EGGS FOR THEM] [FACT]IT WILL ALL BE A WAIST OF TIME ,EFFORT ,AND MONEY.ATBles.

[Roland]

Let me ask every one a simple question ,because no one seem to realize the truth ,[WHAT CAN ,OR WILL BE DONE BY ANY GOVERNING BODY including the RSPB  TO SOLVE OUR HAWK PROBLEM ] NOTHIN, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING,when will it sink in ,i have said this on another forum [THE RSPB WILL NOT HELP TO KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE THAT IS LAYING SO MANY GOLDEN EGGS FOR THEM] [FACT]IT WILL ALL BE A WAIST OF TIME ,EFFORT ,AND MONEY.ATBles.

 

Very Very true Les. The noses drop like flies when asked.... and the RSPB have weaved a very intricate story and well bedded in. But if the sport did get off it's *expletive removed*, and did fight back with a three prong attack, and in cahoots with orther concerned bodies, it would be a start.

Now I for one am fed up, as must be Les and a few more, to hear the whinging and bleating every day now it seems. I think I will post back a reply to each and every one asking 'Just what are you prepared to do then'!!!  :-/ :-/ Not what you think others should do, but WHAT are YOU prepared to do' Whinge' well that hasn't got the vast majority anywhere yet so WHY DO you THINK it will be diffent with you whinging'? :-/ :-/ :o

In fact with copy that, and paste it up every time some one whinges!

[Roland]

Must admit again, I seem hawk free luckily. Had two nesting each side of my loft, but haven't seen them of late... Some one must love me.... Probably me loving myself lol   ;) :P ;D ;D ;D

[white logan]

nothing will happen no matter how much groaning you do , someone has stated that the RSPB is creaming millions out of people ,......................              

                                 just keep "chewing the fat " gents , and breed a few more street peckers for those hungry hawks to feed on