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I can't understand why, nor how, so called Pigeon Fanciers can and do just sit idly by feed these BOP!

I can't understand why they will pay out £100's of pounds on loft accessories, £100' on so call meds, £100's on training and feeding etc. £100's on buying in new stock / y/b's but begrudge a single little £ to have a PR Firm AS A MOUTH PIECE, AS A THINK TAKES, AS A MEANS TO PUT OUR PLIGHT OVER TO THE GENERAL public as a mouth piece. As a Think Tank, as a means to put our plight over regards the desecrations of our birds. To inform the general public just what and how the RSPB are taking them folks for fools, that they cater only for POB yet take money under false pretences saying they protect ALL birds etc. etc. One flipping £! Yes a flipping little quiddy each :( :(

Further why they won't put hand in pocket or help raise £80 a bird or £160 a pair of lovely Eagle Owls' Obviously no chance there then! Lets all moan a little more eh! :'(

I can't understand exactly how after ever occasion the subject is brought up, in any sphere. Boy and how they can whinge and moan  :o Yet then simple shrug shoulders and say 'Weer RPRA - or such - should being doing it!

I can't understand how they haven't after all this time realise another 'Committee to look into BOP and see if they is any problem! Ekk!-  That they don’t get the gist that it is just a ploy to abide time and off put any development!

I can't believe, yet alone understand how they still believe in the ‘Tooth Fairy’!

  I can understand why we are the joke, and a laughing stock to the RSPB and their following brigade!

I can understand how they infiltrate and rub salt in with great glee in so called debates on a Pigeon Site.

I can't understand when the whiners and moaners then complain to the ‘Mods’ about genuine fanciers trying to alleviate and get a little head way in regards helping our pigeons.... and give a little back!

But then for Forum Members to complain about fanciers giving back verbal in reply to BOP lover and antagonises.... streuth ring an bell ding dong roll on .

Yes I have put this up, hopefully it will remain... well till so – called pigeon fanciers complain yet again that some fancier is spouting truths again.... and that it should be sorted via the MODS! Streuth holy mackerel!

 

 

 

 

 

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Roland the thread can stay up aslong it doesnt go in the same direction as most other bop related threads.

 

and i agree with what your saying, it makes total sense! spend £100's on this that and the other. but not a few quid to do something about it. I am very prepared to contribute to our plight if you Do ever get any thing off the ground, As im sure alot of people would.

 

I am moving the post to the predators section, but its not being deleted or edited! :-)

Guest Grasshopper Lofts
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why not have an auction to help towards funds for a pr company its will be a start

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why not have an auction to help towards funds for a pr company its will be a start

 

I think this is all in hand mate, not sure but when I find out will let you know.  Congrats on getting picked out of the bag as well, you got two birds coming your way soon, praying they all hatch now.   ??)  :o  ;D

Guest Grasshopper Lofts
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I think this is all in hand mate, not sure but when I find out will let you know.  Congrats on getting picked out of the bag as well, you got two birds coming your way soon, praying they all hatch now.   ??)  :o  ;D

 

thats great mate thanks i dont mind standing down for a new starter will leave it to your descrestion thanks again

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thats great mate thanks i dont mind standing down for a new starter will leave it to your descrestion thanks again

 

The new starters have been sorted mate, I know people like you put the sport first just like Gangster did via p.m. he said the same thing.  If in between hatching etc some genuine new starters come along and we have to make a choice at least I know I've got your support.   ;)

 

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PR should be the domain of the RPRA. Peter Bryant shortly after he became General Manager advised Council that he could do the job and save the association a fortune. This he did because there was no salary to pay. However I think this was so short sighted. Not only for the BOP issue but also the survival of our sport. Things can still be turned around but we need to use specialists not amatuers.

Look back at the Cinema, it nearly died because of home videos, now it's thriving again, look at cycling that was all but dead in the late seventies, today it's thriving, new marketing ploys/techniques reinvented them. That's what we need unfortunately and I don't mean disrespect to councillors but they are out of their depth when they think they have the expertise to do this.

Just look at one principle, what is our market, who should we be trying to attract in to the sport. Most people say youngsters, I have not agreed on this for over a decade. Our sport is not cheap we need new fanciers who can maintain their financial interest, school children's parent aren't happy to subsidise their pigeon racing. But I may be wrong but who knows? Where have we done any proper research marketing to identify our potential new members, what are the selling points of our sport, conversley why are we losing so many members, why doin't we do exit interviews. The best managers rely on specialists for guidance, make decisions then based on information and then support their staff/experts to push through necessary change.

Change is the most difficult process in any reform.

On a different aspect, I was wondering whether the freedom of information act would allow access to RPRA expenses paid? Just a thought, it would be interesting to know what sort of money is spent by who.

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Have to agree on the issues raised on this thread.

1) yes we need to do something and fast about a good PR person

2) why not organize a massive auction which starts on all the main pigeon forums and ends up in a massive sale at Blackpool.

3) i totaly agree with Albear children should not be out target audience brilliant if we do get someone but think the 50 somethings are the one to aim at there kids have left home they are thinking about winding down work wise and they tend to be more likely to have a pound in there pocket.

 

lets not let this thread die or be deleted it should be important to us all

 

john

 

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Yep the PR man/firm is the way to go. They can make pigeon racing attractive and appealing to the audience we are trying to attract. I agree about the school children, target the parents, grandparents and the sport will filter down through the generations without any effort. Something has to be done and needs to be done fast. But the first thing to decide is which direction we are going to head in this effort and then the WHOLE pigeon community needs to unite and then we will see this great sport start to flourish once again!!

Posted

a pr man sounds and is a good idea but i think this is a bigger job than what one pr man can do. it is a start though. for example in the clyde valley at one of the garden centre,s the bop people stand in a section with all there birds letting people stroke them and giving donations should the likes of us not be standing with our birds on show and dishing out fliers after all its the same crowd we're trying to pull 50yr olds (and kids) that want to relax in front of a loft while plodding about in the garden.i'd doo it but if someone asked any questions i'd be f****d lol

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The RPRA can well afford the £30,000 top fee. Like I said before, when they put out feelers the general member were, and are, still dead set against it. Quite a backlash...’what waste our money when there must be some wealthy.... etc. that can do it free etc'.

30000 members levied a little £ within their subs eh!

PR Firms are professional institutes. Have great assets etc. No concern, government, supermarket, in fact any concern would dream of not employing one as long as it could afford it!

Why do so many still believe that a White charger carrying a knight in white armour is coming over the hilltop.

Fanciers that they feel have the means to do so are NOT able. I wouldn't expect Renaldo to be a whiz cricket - he may be- no more that I think Gary Sobers would have won the Football world cup. It is fields and horses for courses. And I personally think it's audacious to think that a Company, or successful businessman should be expected to put his company, livelihood in jeopardy trying to do freebies for the masses.

Never going to happen, and that's a fact, sadly most can't wake up to that fact!

They should all - yes there maybe the rare odd case why not - yes put their hands in their pocket and splash out a fiver each £150,000 or nigh double. But they won't so time I and a few others woke up and state, well we will get the MOTION going! We will shame those feeding BOP but not willing to put a little quiddy into the coffers!

It makes no sense, but the quicker others and I, accept that, the quicker some of us will get off my backside and do something.

Won't be a sport in 10 years or less. This great sport, which we are CUSTONIANS of, yes our responsibility will be lost forever. Just the one loft races....

Time my other pet is put into motion. With a PR Firm on board, Corporate racing to one loft races where the Feds are responsible for, hence the expenditure there is also put into our coffers... and many off shoot things too happen also.... but lets start once and for all the first step needed for any trip of a thousand miles.

P.s. Forget the RPRA etc.... their form lacks a lot of relevance.

I also take on board Albears post, and as he knows we agree on a lot.

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a pr man sounds and is a good idea but i think this is a bigger job than what one pr man can do. it is a start though. for example in the clyde valley at one of the garden centre,s the bop people stand in a section with all there birds letting people stroke them and giving donations should the likes of us not be standing with our birds on show and dishing out fliers after all its the same crowd we're trying to pull 50yr olds (and kids) that want to relax in front of a loft while plodding about in the garden.i'd doo it but if someone asked any questions i'd be f****d lol

 

With all due respect A PR Firm is a company of several, not, and never, just a one man band. A think tank that puts over the best way for say the General public can, and will visaulise it.

Have fingers in pies. Have contacts to the media, have 'Mates' that write, and Tv etc. with stories to run.

A professional mouth piece that presents and TALKS proper in achieve the message getting heard with the impact which is needed. And so much more.

Expertise is theparamount.

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A professional mouth piece that presents and TALKS proper in achieve the message getting heard with the impact which is needed. And so much more.

Expertise is theparamount.

 

 

Why not try contacting Jemima Harrison who produced the BBC programme Pedigree Dogs Exposed and get her on the side of the Pigeons and I'm sure she will do for BOP what she did to the reputation of pedigree dog breeders.  You never know it just might be up her street.

 

 

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Please let knock on the head the spelling of a P.R. Person! this is of course not the case in any scenario, it's a P.R.Firm. Several work at a topic, and many different inputs are mulled over. Much different aspects, etc. etc., and the endeavouring what they feel is the most positive mode / road to take in the interest of the employer. After all they want good results, want more business, and a good Inn needs no bush quickly, so results are everything to them in the long run. Never let us again relate it as ‘a one-man band’ please.

  Yes they are from £5000 and less... hence why I banter £30,000, this is what a good reputable company is now charging.

Further, especially now, and I KNOW a few, there are many MP's, and EMP's that want and need to champion a cause!

One EMP's father was a very well known and respected flyer.... son was really peeved when no a single one bother to write or Email him of the Avian Flu thing for example.

Albear did a great Email to copy also, and other and I sent that.

I have 14 letters from the House of Commons.

Did you know that if written to THEY HAVE to reply?

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Sorry was writing when you posted.

 

Why not try contacting Jemima Harrison who produced the BBC programme Pedigree Dogs Exposed and get her on the side of the Pigeons and I'm sure she will do for BOP what she did to the reputation of pedigree dog breeders.  You never know it just might be up her street.

 

Exactly, and very many more.

I loved realistically for those that donate £80,000,000 a year, and the £20,000,000 bequeathed to be educated just what their money is really used for.

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Why not try contacting Jemima Harrison who produced the BBC programme Pedigree Dogs Exposed and get her on the side of the Pigeons and I'm sure she will do for BOP what she did to the reputation of pedigree dog breeders.  You never know it just might be up her street.

 

 

I have no idea who this lady is....... but what I would say, care needs to be taken, this lady I assume is a journalist and may well wish to expose thte threat of BOP but she may also want to expose all our warts too!!

We need to be in control, provide clear terms of reference, aims and objectives. The last thing we need is to spend many thousands of pounds without giving a clear lead on what we want any company to research and what types of outcomes we are looking for.

Posted

Yes Albear very true, and to think any company would not do any homework / research and just rush in foolhardy. We would not want that either of course.

 

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Dear all,

I write this as a letter, for one or two reason.

  I have had three positive offers of donations… very much appreciate.

A certain gentleman, whose name I sorry I won’t give out, nor will I or would I ever any ones name. But he stated forthright and up front that he was a widower, and not of the best health wise. Yet though he was by no means a wealthy man, just receiving a stat pension for himself HE was willing to save and donate to us £200 to purchasing certain thing the sport needs. He knew, yes was in no doubt that the sport was in the most serious trouble regards BOP. He, further felt, that the sport needed preserving, not only for generations to come. As for the future he felt there couldn’t, nor wouldn’t be one! Even for the now younger generation flying now.

Now that not only made me see sense, but also showed what a great generation we have derived from! But isn’t it the sad case that those that have loved this game, see the disastrous affects BOP are having YET it is the OLDER ones prepare to put their hands in their pocket so preserve and try and save this sport for many of those not even willing to try and help, and preserve THEIR own past time / Sport now.

It is a crying shame really, that these very same ones will rallying around and support just about any charity you care to mention. That the ‘Fancy’ in general raise umpteen thousands of pounds every year to donate to worthwhile and good causes…. Yet can see their way clear to help themselves… even whilst watching their birds that they care for in every other way being eaten alive by BOP.

But of course explained, best I could, that I wasn’t able to take up the offer as such, nor would I in the future!

I need three 'Willing' names to handling money. YOU need three willing names that shall, and will have to remain an ominous for obvious reasons. If one can’t comprehend that, then sadly they will have to have it explained by those that do.

  Action needs to start NOW! Never mind about tomorrow, never mind the lame crutch of ‘Others’! This sport, our future generations sport we’d are custodians of Now! NEEDS hands at the wheel today! Simple that surelyâ€

And to the kind pensioner, I will again say thank you very much for that very kind offer, and also for those like-minded on here that are too!

Thank you.

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