Another YB taken by the peregrine.

[Guest]

still say the quickest way to wipe them out is dont feed them your doos.

 

2 years no racing and training  not much bops left.

 

during the war when there was very little movement of pigeons in the uk there numbers were decimated  and not all were shot or traped but loads starved.

 

we could do it again on a bigger scale as they are very dependant on our pigeons nowadays to exspand and multiply. starve them out they wont last long.  most pereg nest sites have 100,s of racing pigeon rings around them every year but this is well covered up bye the bop lovers as racing pigeons are there staple diet now  yours and mine.  They say they only take the sick and weak birds  ..bull sh** they take the best. would you eat road kill if you had

 

prime beef.

 

I understand your argument but all this will do is divert the BOPS attention to OTHER prey until the pigeons are back, nice thought but not workable unless you done this for 20 years.  

 

 

[Guest stb]

so what do we do just keep feeding them pigeons.

 

there is not enough other prey now to sustain the amount of bops there is nowadays.

 

you will never get anywhere with goverment they are trillions in debt and dont give a sh** about  pigeons. and the rspcb are never going to allow you any le-way at all.  i No some people involved there and they have no intention of letting you move re locate or cut down the number of bops.  You could also take the matter into your own hand but you would never get near them nowadays. youd be up at the old bailey before you spotted one.

Theres more bops than pigeon fanciers now and thats a fact.

[Guest stb]

sorry to keep going on but am nop a bop fan as i stay out in the country with a new wood plantation planted round me 10 years ago and is gret for bop ambushes . i loose 30 to 40 birds a year to bops nowadays.(verymad)(verymad)

[edwards]

what happend here was the fertiliser used on wheat made the bop infertile the woodys eat the wheat and bop eat the woodys but then that fertiliser has stopped being used woundn be a bad idea to bring it back for a few years hint hint

[Merlin]

 

The R S P B in their twisted logic claim the BOP are having little affect on other species of birds,mantaining their population will stop growing if there is a shortage of food available,while convenientely forgetting its an artifcal food chain thats sustaing them, ie our birds,now to keep our birds confined for two breeding seasons,would indeed have a disasterous affect on the bop population,and for a while on other species,which might make the public wake up and take notice,you might then have a reduced race programe outside of its breeding times,bottom line if you take away their main scource of feed,for even two years,you will decimate them,but for pigeon fanciers to do this,well I wont hold my breath.

[Guest]

How can you be expected not to race or train birds bred specifically to do just that?  The suggestion of withdrawing every single pigeon for two years to 'starve' the bops is illogical and untenable and a guaranteed way to kill the sport of pigeon racing, is anyone seriously naive enough to believe the logic in this train of thought?  

[Roland]

I do, but know it would never happen.

Edward it like Perry is very careful regards ducks. Unless sure to grab and clear he will uickly change or drop. Won't risk getting wet.

[Merlin]

How can you be expected not to race or train birds bred specifically to do just that?  The suggestion of withdrawing every single pigeon for two years to 'starve' the bops is illogical and untenable and a guaranteed way to kill the sport of pigeon racing, is anyone seriously naive enough to believe the logic in this train of thought?  

 

"Reduced Race Programe outside of its breeding season"its more naive not to read and quote in its entirety.

[Merlin]

the Perigrine is a beautiful bird,and has its place in Natures scheme of things,its the overpoulation that is the problem.

Like all species,there are good and bad hunters,possibily at the same ratio as good and bad pigeons.

Now if down the years it had to depend solely on its ability,to kill wild prey,to propegate its species,it would indeed be very limited

take the commie pigeon,that frequent every part of our world in abundance,their numbers are testament to the inability of the perigrine population to even put a small dent in their population,have no doubt a good hunter would survive and rear a limited nest of chicks on them,but the larger number would perish,due to their inability to even hunt this prey for thenmselves successful.

The overpopulation is due directly to its artifical food chain,our pigeons,available in abundance when needed most,its breeding season.

Now logic and common sense tells me,remove the scource of its abundance of protein,when needed most,its breeding seson,and the perigrine population is straight away stopped from increasing at the dramatic rate its enjoying,doubling its population annually,and now let Nature take its course.

This is a viable and practical option,do I think its going to happen soon,No,chiefly due to basic ignorance,selfishness, conceit,and tunnel vision of the people who have inadvertently created this problem,ourselves pigeon fanciers

[Guest numpty01]

the Perigrine is a beautiful bird,and has its place in Natures scheme of things,its the overpoulation that is the problem.

Like all species,there are good and bad hunters,possibily at the same ratio as good and bad pigeons.

Now if down the years it had to depend solely on its ability,to kill wild prey,to propegate its species,it would indeed be very limited

take the commie pigeon,that frequent every part of our world in abundance,their numbers are testament to the inability of the perigrine population to even put a small dent in their population,have no doubt a good hunter would survive and rear a limited nest of chicks on them,but the larger number would perish,due to their inability to even hunt this prey for thenmselves successful.

The overpopulation is due directly to its artifical food chain,our pigeons,available in abundance when needed most,its breeding season.

Now logic and common sense tells me,remove the scource of its abundance of protein,when needed most,its breeding seson,and the perigrine population is straight away stopped from increasing at the dramatic rate its enjoying,doubling its population annually,and now let Nature take its course.

This is a viable and practical option,do I think its going to happen soon,No,chiefly due to basic ignorance,selfishness, conceit,and tunnel vision of the people who have inadvertently created this problem,ourselves pigeon fanciers

good commen sense post melin

 

 

[Roland]

Agree Merlin 100%.

Saw a good article where the theory was that townies stay flightless for longer up and down whereas our birds exercise or are fling somewhere and are hence in a more vunerable position for the Perry to get hieght and swoop.

Had a Feral Squeaker in and out  the loft yesterday, sill had a fair bit of downing on it. Would love it to frequent and settle in the loft. Won't get a better watch out. They have now an inbred instinctive awareness...

[Guest]

 

"Reduced Race Programe outside of its breeding season"its more naive not to read and quote in its entirety.

I know exactly who I quoted and what I quoted thanks, and naive I'm certainly not, http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1244838003/s-0/#num16  No racing, limited racing, why the hell should we be forced into sacrifice for the sake of mis-management of BOP?   All species have an inbred mechanism to adapt their feeding seasons to suit, its called evolving, whilst your suggestion may offer a temporary solution that's all it would be.   Take the valleys where I'm from, there's no other species about for the BOPs to feed on you don't see anywhere as near as much wildlife like voles, mice etc as you used to and it isn't for over developement of land its for the number of preditors there are.  You need to wake up to the real world, because as much as I agree BOPs are stunning to look at so was the blue tit, the chaffinch, the sparrows, the housemartins, all common birds not so common anymore.  Oh but wait, we'll blame climate change shall we, that way the BOP's can be protected yet again.

 

Common sense tells me its time to relocate the bops to a land far away from urbanisation and where they can be managed by the people of the RSPB and the hundreds of millions of ££££'s we've given them over the years to do so.  We can then avoid racing over these 'designated areas' the BOP will be safe and fed by reared little birds and our pigeons can fly in a path that avoids the 'protected areas'.  Someone in one of the threads commented on the RSPB being one of the largest land owners in the UK?  If that's the case then its about time they started using it.   > >

 

[Guest stb]

I know exactly who I quoted and what I quoted thanks, and naive I'm certainly not, http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1244838003/s-0/#num16  No racing, limited racing, why the hell should we be forced into sacrifice for the sake of mis-management of BOP?   All species have an inbred mechanism to adapt their feeding seasons to suit, its called evolving, whilst your suggestion may offer a temporary solution that's all it would be.   Take the valleys where I'm from, there's no other species about for the BOPs to feed on you don't see anywhere as near as much wildlife like voles, mice etc as you used to and it isn't for over developement of land its for the number of preditors there are.  You need to wake up to the real world, because as much as I agree BOPs are stunning to look at so was the blue tit, the chaffinch, the sparrows, the housemartins, all common birds not so common anymore.  Oh but wait, we'll blame climate change shall we, that way the BOP's can be protected yet again.

 

Common sense tells me its time to relocate the bops to a land far away from urbanisation and where they can be managed by the people of the RSPB and the hundreds of millions of ££££'s we've given them over the years to do so.  We can then avoid racing over these 'designated areas' the BOP will be safe and fed by reared little birds and our pigeons can fly in a path that avoids the 'protected areas'.  Someone in one of the threads commented on the RSPB being one of the largest land owners in the UK?  If that's the case then its about time they started using it.   > >

      thats all correct but they dont want to move the  Bops anywhere,

 

                  Realistically who is going to make them now, not enough pigeon men now

 

                  its like the green party takin on labour may win a few battles but wont win the war

 

 

[Guest]

      thats all correct but they dont want to move the  Bops anywhere,

 

                  Realistically who is going to make them now, not enough pigeon men now

 

                  its like the green party takin on labour may win a few battles but wont win the war

 

 

Could not disagree with you there, Roland and others worked hard on creating awareness and doing something about it, then lo and behold the village idiots jump in and do their best to disrupt the idea.  Gladly they failed and the quest to work even harder to get something done is gathering momentum.  Good analogy on the Green party versus Labour, although the BOP situation isn't anywhere near as difficult a task as the one the Green party have.  

 

Putting aside the few clowns who aren't interested in doing anything other than complaining about the situation there are still an awful lot of people who are prepared to do something, certainly far too many to hold in a line up if a BOP went awol, besides, you don't need just pigeon men, each one has a family that would support them, and then friends, start adding that up and the numbers increase dramatically.  

 

BOP is a global issue not just a UK one, getting everyone to work together in collaboration is what is needed, the problem I see is people already feel defeated before the fight, I don't, which means that even if I don't win at least I'll have tried unlike many out there.  

[Roland]

Good post JarGre. Lots of truth there. Horses for course and roads leading of to Rome etc.

Must be many ways to unite, if promoting in different spreels.

If 10 different ways are tried, and all only averaged 10% sucess and lea way into this problem, then that is 50% of something hat has helped.... far far better than sitting back and whinging.

So yes, what ever works for individuals can only be of an advantage if they actual get of back sides and did something. Something that they actually feel is right and worthwhile.

[Guest stb]

the problem has been here a long time 30 years at least.

 

out in the country we have had it bad for a long time.

 

the guys in nearer the town s used to laff when you said bops were killing your pigeons.

 

comment)  sparrowhawks dont take pigeons..        well they no now as they are so over populated that they are in all towns everywhere.

 

when marking the pigeons at the club one night about 10 years ago a sparr hen came right in the club door amd tried to grab the pigeon the gut was putting the rubber ring on.

 

shows u how desperate they are.

 

i wont give in to them either.

[Roland]

Saw a post on here, where a Sparrow H was eating another Sparrow H.

 

[BLACK W F]

guys as the wheels get set in motion it would have been a major  win for us if we could get the guys who fly their own hawks on our side as these guys are just out to enjoy there thing the same as us  they are not our enemy its the wild BOP thats the problem not only for us for them as well  is there no one in their ranks that we could talk to and try and get them on our side  as their sport is being spoilt as well  whats the rest of you guys thoughts

[just ask me]

guys as the wheels get set in motion it would have been a major  win for us if we could get the guys who fly their own hawks on our side as these guys are just out to enjoy there thing the same as us  they are not our enemy its the wild BOP that's the problem not only for us for them as well  is there no one in their ranks that we could talk to and try and get them on our side  as their sport is being spoilt as well  whats the rest of you guys thoughts

 

it would be great if we could get on the same line of thinking but i think they would have to be ground given on both sides and a lot of dialogue between both sides from what ive been they have to realise that there is an over population full stop we have to realise that 99% of these guys are bird lovers like ourselves and love there birds too and don't go out with there birds to take down our racing pigeons i do belive if a reasonable solution was given too the pigeon men in the main that would be accepted  maybe one of them have seen something with there experience that will work as a detrient remember they live love breathe bops like we do our birds  what cant continue to happen where discussions have went on before where they start off fine then get personal  this gets us no where also they have to realise flashing lights around loft discs plastic owls and other deterrents only work for a limited time the only one im unsure on how successful they are is the eyes that are painted onto the wings anyway what we should be looking for is where they can see our side of the problem where we cant let birds out for a fly without being hit the one being killed is not the major problem its the damage the hit causes other birds flying into trees walls windows and so on also the psychological damage it causes the rest of the flock most of the bop men will say that nature and the risks u take we say we want them moved  but pigeon racing is flown all over the country so will cause problems where ever they are moved do we agree on having say so many pairs on within a 50 mile square zone and when we can prove its that pair that killing a bird every second day a bop man comes in and removes them but what happens then we would have a situation where the the nest is refilled with in a week and start killing again many will say well he just let them off few mile up the road where it would be inmost cases another pair filling the nest do we get fanicers and bop men and women of course working together as a team to sort out what happens with the problem pair i mean paid properly to remove falcons there still is a lot of questions that needs answering in a big way

[BLACK W F]

top class post and points that need to be considered

[just ask me]

top class post and points that need to be considered

 

thanks but i think i may have opened up more questions than answers  :-/

[tyson]

what we need to do is start a fund and purchase eagle owl chicks and start releasing them into the wild that would help to cut the numbers down

[Guest stb]

hey tyson that is a good idea.  why do you think they didnt introduce the european eagle owl years ago.  because they would prey on peregrines nest and take over there turf.

 

if  we did that the rspcb boys would say there not native and have them bopt of.

 

eagle owl top o the food chain

[Guest numpty01]

google eagle owl ???then look at rspb spin on this

[tyson]

well it would be one way to play them at there own game just food for thought