P.O.B.!

[Roland]

Haven't heard oat else from numpty01. hope he is ok. Thought I'd have a seen a post regards my last post.

[Roland]

How about this eh! A fancier wrote and I post....

 

Hi Roland, the best I can do on the offer of a bird is a pure Buscheart y/b ready now. Its all I have mate at the moment. If you want to auction it feel free to. I paid a few £ for the parents to say the least, and want to keep one for myself the y/b is a chequer pied. Buyer pays postage.

I wrote back as follows:

Great offer ****** and thanks ... Don't be offended, keep the pair, and donate a nest pair of late breds later on. They will still sale... in fact may do a little better as most have now a settle race team... But after y/b season is gone, or before, many will no doubt be after as such to bolster the team for next season, and season after. Then we will prosper, and you will still have another all-important youngster on hand. Yes we do need support like this, and thanks again.

Roland

Now that is another very genuine fancier eh!

Did I do right?  :-/

 

  

[Guest asha]

Your having a laugh Roland, the big red money making machine that`s called the RSPB will steamroller you into the ground,and make no mistake about it,will come after Pigeon Racing here big time,with the power they have ,it would take them under 1 year to show how cruel Racing Pigeon`s can be,our only saving grace at present is the Queens so called involvment,and that will be stopped if not politically correct,then we are right up s**t street,so do me,and fanciers everywhere 1 big favour,forget it.

                                            

[Newbie2020]

I cant quite see how pigeon racing is cruel in the slightest! The birds live in A and taken to B and let go. They have C,D,E,F..... infact the whole world to go to if they dont wish to return. They choose to return to their loft! How is this cruel? The birds are given there freedom and choose to return. I think the an advert in the BHW highlighting this venture is required and a PR firm hired asap. Then maybe an advert in the national press, and ultimately a tv advert on prime time tv!! I know this sounds adventurous but if everyone was prepared to give them not unrealistic! An easy way to donate is required where the funds can be deposited safely and easy. Good luck and I am behind you 100%.

[Roland]

Well Asha, then if doomed doing nothing, and doomed trying! In that let's all register as E.O'S watchers. making sure that the RSPB aren't culling them. Well might as well as we'll have nowt else to do eh!

It isn't he who tries and fails that is defeated, it is he that does nowt that already defeated'.

Besides, if their is a good response, and the RSPB's real agenda does become public knowledge, does save a few songbirds after all our pigeons have been eaten, then we will have achieved something, a thing, but it won't be a nothing eh!

May be, and seems so, WE will have to keep repeating, if ever a sport was ready to throw in the towel at the first hurdle it is US! If ever a sport was ready to look for an excuse not to act.... It is us. If ever a sport was so willing to back the other side, and to put needless downers out against us... It is us.

What are we, man or mouse, Squeak up'! So what if we get rolled over? :-/ :-/

May mean we go as a sport a little longer eh.... but at least give it a try!

Asha, no need for you to chuck a few quiddies into the RSPB's coffers, they have as we all know over a 100£million donations every year.

Like I say, no need to worry about the RSPB....  The poison is within us!

[Roland]

I cant quite see how pigeon racing is cruel in the slightest! The birds live in A and taken to B and let go. They have C,D,E,F..... infact the whole world to go to if they dont wish to return. They choose to return to their loft! How is this cruel? The birds are given there freedom and choose to return. I think the an advert in the BHW highlighting this venture is required and a PR firm hired asap. Then maybe an advert in the national press, and ultimately a tv advert on prime time tv!! I know this sounds adventurous but if everyone was prepared to give them not unrealistic! An easy way to donate is required where the funds can be deposited safely and easy. Good luck and I am behind you 100%.

 

Great realistic and sensible post.

[maverick]

The pigeon sport on whole helps many causes but it is about time it started to look after its own house but let all the charities that we as a sport help every year know why and try and get them on board to give us a helping hand in voice to help us in our plight let them know how bad things are for us with the hawk problem and the position our sport is in

[Merlin]

Would like to be involved in whatever  I way can Roland,as this already overpopulation of b.o.p.are only set to get worse,their doubling their population on a yearly basis,and to my line of thought,if a fancier is not part of a somwhat possible soloution,then they are definitely a part of creating a very real problem.

[Roland]

Your having a laugh Roland, the big red money making machine that`s called the RSPB will steamroller you into the ground,and make no mistake about it,will come after Pigeon Racing here big time,with the power they have ,it would take them under 1 year to show how cruel Racing Pigeon`s can be,our only saving grace at present is the Queens so called involvment,and that will be stopped if not politically correct,then we are right up s**t street,so do me,and fanciers everywhere 1 big favour,forget it.

                                        True

But you know I remember when I first went to the ‘Big School’. Yeah Stogie Curtis was a 4th year. Him being 14 / 15 and me eleven.

He was a bully, not a hard case- Maybe his doctor thought he was a hard case, who knows ;D, But just a big brute. Yes very strong, thick and ignorant, but a bully.

After school one day, he kneed me between the legs. Gosh was I hurt, did it hurt. He thought it was funny, and I thought I was dying!

25 minutes later or so, maybe less but seems another life time, whilst the crowds were still around watching kids getting thumb or being thumped, I called him. He waited for me laughing as I ran at him, smug, threatening.

I surprised him! Two cracking punches caught him in the face, one splitting his lip. Then I rain as many as I could till he beat the crap out of me! Yes I finished a sorry state.

You know, maybe I come off far worst… Lost! erm!  :-/ :-/ Maybe, but even to this day – indeed only last week even – it is still remembered, and I still feel a sense of pride in what I did…. I didn’t roll over and be cowered.

 

 

 

[sammy]

Your having a laugh Roland, the big red money making machine that`s called the RSPB will steamroller you into the ground,and make no mistake about it,will come after Pigeon Racing here big time,with the power they have ,it would take them under 1 year to show how cruel Racing Pigeon`s can be,our only saving grace at present is the Queens so called involvment,and that will be stopped if not politically correct,then we are right up s**t street,so do me,and fanciers everywhere 1 big favour,forget it.

                                            

 

cant help but think you are right asha in a lot of ways but f---- it lets go down fighting then roland you have my support pm me your address and my donation will be on its way  ;)and good luck .LETS ALL GET OUR BIT IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH OR LITTLE YI CAN AFFORD ROLANDS GOT THE BAWS TO STAND UP SO LETS ALL GIVE HIM SUPPORT  

[superstar]

 

cant help but think you are right asha in a lot of ways but f---- it lets go down fighting then roland you have my support pm me your address and my donation will be on its way  ;)and good luck .LETS ALL GET OUR BIT IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH OR LITTLE YI CAN AFFORD ROLANDS GOT THE BAWS TO STAND UP SO LETS ALL GIVE HIM SUPPORT  

 

Here, here Sammy! It is as Roland says better to die with your boots on than sat in your slippers doing nothing!

Asha you may be lucky at the moment and living in an area that is a little less populated with these arial assasins but believe me they are out there and reproducing at an alarming rate near you now! The worst part being they were originally put there by a flawed organisation which seems quite publically to have lost its mind as it is showing no regard for any other living creature. In the area I live this year has seen an unbelievable increase in hawk attacks, not just ficticious but too many of the local fanciers have actually witnessed attacks so not all assumption and that includes myself, attacks on  not only our beloved pigeons but wild birds also. Something needs saying and saying soon and loud! Good on Roland for trying, he has my full backing and many others so think about it. Once upon a time I heard about fanciers in Cornwall suffering and packing in the sport and didn't think it would affect me, not my problem, I was wrong, very wrong as I guess a lot more were and chose to sit back and let it happen instead of backing our fellow fanciers where we should have been on the ball, united and ready to have a voice then, now though we dont have a choice!

 

 

[swilcox]

Lets just get behind and see where it takes us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[maverick]

It does not seem to bother some fanciers always putting hurdles in front of folk wanting to try I SAY GO FOR IT ROLAND  anything i can do to help i will because i am one of the fanciers who have been on the wrong end of these killers

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Really don't want to donate as i have had that many pigeons going to charity sales, but i will as for years i have said we the fanciers do very little to protect ourselves from the declining membership, it's time to get our fingers out and help the sport of pigeon racing sport.

 

I have believed for years that we pigeon fanciers in this country should have some sort of promotional SOS tax system were in sales of pigeons including charity sales implement/donate a minimum 10% to a centralised fund for helping this sport survive, it would be very hard to ask for someone who has organised a sale for the death of a loved one or a person who is critically ill but reality is that come 10-20 years the same type of people will not be able to have sales because of the massive drop in membership.

The way forward at this stage would be for a plea through adverts in the pigeon papers to be sent to this centralised fund for this 10%. Might be very hard to implement this but i if this was up and running i would stop donating pigeons to sales unless they signed up to this SOS fund, might be a little harsh for someone who has cancer but we have to save the sport first.

Ran a sale for my lads autistic school 2 years ago made £3500 would have been delighted if their was a promotional SOS fund that i could have sent 10% = £350.00 but their wasn't and I believe there are many fanciers out there who would have followed, you will not get them all but if you were to get half then we are talking quite a bit of money.

[Roland]

Yes Gareth, very realistic view.

Seems an embassament to ask some one that owes you £20 say for it when your skint .... far easier to ask a mate to lend you a fiver eh! True.

One has a idea that if you give - which in reality you do - to a good cause, they would be only to please to pay the parking ticket. Nah, sorry they imply that is a cheek, and say that it would be defeating the object!

Did 3 - 4 free gigs a year and raised loads of shekals. Saw a sign then up about the Disco / Supper etc. Another set up was being paid a fortune for what I had done time for free. The look on my face must have it all. The BOSS said to me ' Hope you don't mind Roland, but you and the missis can have a free ticket, BESIDES we will be having you a few more time this coming season and thought it would be nice to have someone different EEK! I travelled 65mile each way for free.... Sorry you won't be having me!

But that is the norm mental approach.

 

We also need drafts made up. Need someone that is good at putting words together.

Has any one any idea where Albear is :-/ Can't believe that is has had to go on holiday in race season lol.

Need a few MP.s EMP's on a band wagon to further their cause...

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Thinking a little more on what i said in an earlier post,

                                    The way to go to raise the funds needed to help save our sport

 

1.First sale funds used to promote this campaign as well as being viable and sustainable.

 

2.Advertise for Members to sign up to the 10% SOS campaign, meaning that he will not donate to a club or charity sale unless they are signed up as members of the SOS fund, once you get the top 200 fanciers in the UK signing up for this campaign others will then follow on the back of this and therefore no sale will be viable to run unless these clubs/charity/business or individuals are willing to be members and pay the 10% for the SOS.

 

3.Individual purchasers signing up will agree to non participation of sales that are not registered with SOS.

 

4. Use the members on this site to get it up and running by asking all the top fanciers who year after year get pestered with phone calls about young birds for this sale and that sale - in return for what???? :B :B :B :B these fanciers or org can then be used to kick it of within the fancy press.

 

5.The BHW and RP could be used to a positive effect in respect to that any sale organised that is part of the SOS would receive a discount for there advertisment after all if the BHW and RP want to survive they had better return something to the sport to survive.

 

6.Weekly advertisement pages within the pigeon papers at a greatly reduced fee to the SOS campaign with all new participating members, club or businesses that have signed up for it.

 

7. Six delegates to run the SOS campaign spread from over the UK inc. 1 each from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and 3 from England 1 north, Midlands and the south.

 

8. All members to be balloted on most crucial decisions to decide what avenues that they wish to take in order to make it survive.

 

9. Set a start date for the 1st of October before the silly season of sales kicks of.

 

 

 

 

The only way to have a viable and sustainable campaign is for constant funding and this will not come from members on pigeonbasics having a sale ,it will only come from the 40,000 fanciers that are in the UK and who spend an estimated £200+ per year on purchasing new stock, this in itself would bring in £800,000.00 to help the pigeon fraternity in the UK save itself, dont see who else is going to save us????

 

Gareth

[Roland]

great thoughts and details Gareth.

I am away to to treat the missis to a show, where Geoff Thompson is himselfr conducting 'War of the Worlds' live at Nottingham. Be late, and hopefully nissed when I get back lol. I drive there and the 'Goodlady (then and sometime lol) drives us back.

  I, of course as most will appreciate, can't do, and run this project via myself.

I have names that are willing and of course WE ALL must be most grateful for that.

A further part was, as I was going to post anyway today, is having pockest in very many diferent parts of our Countries.

Then ALL as a 'Whole Body' need to vote and decide things as and when needed too.

Would those that haven't sent me their real names and address / Clubs etc. please do so. Yes I am afraind that it is a neccessary burden to check you all out. Not only will this safe guard you, but others from infiltrators bent on disruption.

 

[Roland]

Sorry Geoff Wade, not Thompson.

Any way, we should also be looking for some Names in the Entertainment / Sport world, like Ricky Hatton, etc. etc.

[pigeonpete]

Does anyone fly in the same club as duncan ferguson or trevor francis? they would be good famous pigeon flyers to have on board? cant think of any more off the yop of my head :-)

[Roland]

Does anyone fly in the same club as duncan ferguson or trevor francis? they would be good famous pigeon flyers to have on board? cant think of any more off the yop of my head :-)

 

They would also know others of course.

Gerry Francis.... have a mate big friend of Gerry.... lost his contacts so expect he's sulking.

 

Well seems we have lit the gas stove at least. :-/ ;D ;D

 

[Roland]

Thinking a little more on what i said in an earlier post,

                                    The way to go to raise the funds needed to help save our sport

 

 

 

 

The only way to have a viable and sustainable campaign is for constant funding and this will not come from members on pigeonbasics having a sale ,it will only come from the 40,000 fanciers that are in the UK and who spend an estimated £200+ per year on purchasing new stock, this in itself would bring in £800,000.00 to help the pigeon fraternity in the UK save itself, dont see who else is going to save us????

 

Gareth

and if they were levied only a £1 each by the RPRA we WOULD have a P.R.Firm in place, Two little quiddies and it would be Europa eh!

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Thinking a little more on what i said in an earlier post,

                                    The way to go to raise the funds needed to help save our sport

 

 

 

 

The only way to have a viable and sustainable campaign is for constant funding and this will not come from members on pigeonbasics having a sale ,it will only come from the 40,000 fanciers that are in the UK and who spend an estimated £200+ per year on purchasing new stock, this in itself would bring in £800,000.00 to help the pigeon fraternity in the UK save itself, dont see who else is going to save us????

 

Gareth

and if they were levied only a £1 each by the RPRA we WOULD have a P.R.Firm in place, Two little quiddies and it would be Europa eh!

 

 

Yes pathetic ism within the sport and it has to stop asap, time for the professional approach to help our sport survive. Or are the members going to keep lying down and accept defeat.

 

 

 

 

[superstar]

Excelent posts and ideas Mr Gareth Rankin I bow to your wisdom and thinking.

[stantheman]

Roland count me in for support my cheque will be on its way to you when you have finalised details of bank accounts etc, i will also donate a couple of birds to any sale that is organised we have got to give it a go

[jimmy_bulger]

i think if you are going to have a sale to help fund this then why not make it a big sale at BLACKPOOL the media would already be there and you have 6 months or more to plan it and get gift birds.

also gives time to get delegates picked and sort out a strategy.

jimmy