all please read this ! BOP

[OLDYELLOW]

And the RSPB will smile its greasy smile, wash its hands in invisible soap as usual, and murmer that "Nature is red in tooth an claw".  Your best bet is to do what has to be done and shut up about it. But DO it.  Not talk about it like so many did last January, full of Grrrrr and snarl!!! Then a weak smile and add the LBs to the stock loft.  Some didn't though, and they're smiling now, for a while.

 

i wasent going to reply to you , but doing such things could see you end up been heavily prosicuted and banned from birds for life and even a prison sentance , shame you couldnt use your scribe name as you normaly do , and its down to the likes of you bops are flourishing been wormed after your half baked advice  , worms are the biggest killers of bops and ivermecting is actualy given on dead chicks to worm and demite / lice bops , there needs to be an effective way of controling bops legally this kind off post sets back any kind of action been taken to sort this problem out , im going to bow down from any further bop issues and posts however i will be here in an advisory capacity to help those who want to make a legal change going through the correct avenues Regards OldYellow

[lightning fast]

found an interesting website. http://blx1.bto.org/birdfacts/results/bob2690.htm

 

Sparrowhawk

British Population Size:  

    Summer: 39 thousand pairs in 2000  

Clutch Size: 4 - 5 eggs

 

I never expected to be that much!! ??)

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

found an interesting website. http://blx1.bto.org/birdfacts/results/bob2690.htm

 

Sparrowhawk

British Population Size:  

    Summer: 39 thousand pairs in 2000  

Clutch Size: 4 - 5 eggs

 

I never expected to be that much!! ??)

 

 

well imagine 2 eggs survive every year since and say one old bird dies each year so realy leaving 1 extra bird per pair per year obviously increasing the pairs further there must now be over 100, 000 , like any over population this can not be sustainable for the survival of the birds on the red list , the skylark , woodcock , lapwing, cuckcoo, woodpecker and many more .....................

[Roland]

Fragimento speaks realism. 8)

[OLDYELLOW]

Fragimento speaks realism. 8)

 

i also werent going to do this either what happened to your big ideas of a pr guru and your P.O.B commity words of wisdom from a failure no wonder the group failed  , the only realism is there are more bops out there and anyone caught trying to remove them illegally will do nothing for this  hobby nor will any future cause that has the future of the hobby at heart and the survival of our song birds for future generations and will see any purpertrators heavily fines prison sentences and banned from keep birds as a result  , great stuff ivermecting de worms hawks and de lices them R.S.P.B will be very greatfull

[lightning fast]

 

well imagine 2 eggs survive every year since and say one old bird dies each year so realy leaving 1 extra bird per pair per year obviously increasing the pairs further there must now be over 100, 000 , like any over population this can not be sustainable for the survival of the birds on the red list , the skylark , woodcock , lapwing, cuckcoo, woodpecker and many more .....................

 

 

Peregrine Falcon  

British Population Size:  

    Summer: 1400 pairs in 2000  

Clutch Size: 3 - 4 eggs  ??) ??) ??) ??) ??) ??)

 

 

 

[walterbmasson]

 

I agree with Les. The RSPB is a multi million £ business that lobbys the European Parliament at the highest levels. It is THAT parliament that dictates our laws re: BOP. Minority interests don't get a look-in. Any effective lobby from the pigeon fraternity would have to be backed by hard science, not anecdotal tales of lofts loosing birds to BOP's, or the thrush at the bottom of the garden being eaten by a Sparrowhawk. And lets face it, domestic cats eat more songbirds than BOPs do.

 

If we want to secure the sport for the future we'd be better off putting more effort into attracting youngsters to the sport and making the sport more accessible to those who have had no previous contact with it. JMO  

  where are you getting youngsters into the sport with the bop killing them they wont be long in the sport its putting top fanciers out of the sport what chance with new starts good on you avril great suggestion

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

more cats eat song birds must be a quote from R.S.P.B AYE FLYING ONES CALLED BOPS

[Roland]

The P.O.B. didn't fail, not by a long chalk. It was the failure of the very same oes you wish yo back your 'cause, that didn't back the P.O.B. Further, not only didn't back it, but a certain cliche that went head over board to distroy it before it was even up and running.

Do want to post up the SOSB Threads where personal and hoorid attacks wee made uon this so cause. Also the belittling and Pee taking that it got :-/

The P.O.B. Had a good platform. It had dedicated and worth while fanciers with great intention ready to work tirelessly for the Cause. t was the very fanciers that it was striving to help that let them down. Plus a few idiot with their stupid and senile Egoistic agenda to thawt the P.O.B. for their own agenda.... Such as this. No two ways about that. End off.

[OLDYELLOW]

The P.O.B. didn't fail, not by a long chalk. It was the failure of the very same oes you wish yo back your 'cause, that didn't back the P.O.B. Further, not only didn't back it, but a certain cliche that went head over board to distroy it before it was even up and running.

Do want to post up the SOSB Threads where personal and hoorid attacks wee made uon this so cause. Also the belittling and Pee taking that it got :-/

The P.O.B. Had a good platform. It had dedicated and worth while fanciers with great intention ready to work tirelessly for the Cause. t was the very fanciers that it was striving to help that let them down. Plus a few idiot with their stupid and senile Egoistic agenda to thawt the P.O.B. for their own agenda.... Such as this. No two ways about that. End off.

 

it has failed you wound it up ??????? still no pr guru and in same position before you started it , can safely say that a petion was handed in but only 700+ could be bothered thats why , its remain as it is as the fancy wont support it

[lightning fast]

Lets unite the Clans and get this back on track

[Roland]

it has failed you wound it up ??????? still no pr guru and in same position before you started it , can safely say that a petion was handed in but only 700+ could be bothered thats why , its remain as it is as the fancy wont support it

 

Wrong on two accounts. 1. It isn't he who tried and failed that is defeated, it was those that didn't try and those that didn't support that was defeated.

 

2. IT WAS SABATAGED VIA THE ssob brigade and mateys.... that's not classed as a failure...

 

Will post up for you the flak you lot got! Only achievement to be brutaly honest was to make a laughing stock of fanciers everywhere.

I really felt for Lewadebob, who was 100% and genuine. No, in retrospect I don't think I will put them threads up, because that would be unfair to a genuine fellow.

The P.O.B had other fanciers of Rollers / Tipplers etc. showing and asking and supporting.... We was glad to have them on board... Yes we let them down. No we didn't let the Homing brigade dow, Old Yellow, you lot sabataged it.

Further we was getting between 5% and !0% discount for all kind of pigeon suppliers. We had on board the !p donated for every pigeon sent to a race. We had a Websites ready to be up and running. We had several willing to put up donations. We had a sale where Albear is still owed from. We... never mind, we didn't have the support for that even, only those spitting into the tent. If fanciers can't appreciate say 5% - 10% savings on 85% of theie yearly costs, and can't see their way clear to help themselves then just what chance do you think you will have touting for support that may cost them! Why do you think that the B.O.P  will stop ridiuling you. You have been up and trying for near, yes over two years and done nowt, absolutely nothing with no progress at all!

I'll back it, of course I will.... unlike you who threw spanners into the works every time any one else tries something. So not only did you stop your selves from making progress, but make sure no one else will make any inroads.

Just couldn't let any others make headway, whilst you have since last June - nearly a year now - don't no more than sit on your backsides and twidled your thumbs.... Sadly you are a joke, A sad one granted, but a joke

 

 

[Roland]

Any way, if you lose a bird and someone treated to a hawk, Mark, you can't be held responcible for anyone elses actions, good or bad. Likewise, when there are no rings on a bird that gives another bird indigestion, that is again not down to any fancier.

And as for there being any come back, or comuppence regards 'pigeon racing' it is time to wake up and smell the coffee.... in 3 years or less ( Let's dream a mite here and believe 5 years eh!  :-/) here won't be any racing... just the one loft races if any one is interested.

So instead of the anti egoers having a pop at any other organisation, or person(s) trying to allievite the situation, they should be on board and backing them at least. Not sabataging them.

Any way end of, for you know wha I spout full well is the truth and all the codswallop anyone wants to bring up, just remember it has been said and done times before.

So instead of wear these tight shoes, I'm taking them off... Ahh that's better, as for the rest of you, get on with whatever and good luck.

[Mealy Cock]

 

I agree with Les. The RSPB is a multi million £ business that lobbys the European Parliament at the highest levels. It is THAT parliament that dictates our laws re: BOP. Minority interests don't get a look-in. Any effective lobby from the pigeon fraternity would have to be backed by hard science, not anecdotal tales of lofts loosing birds to BOP's, or the thrush at the bottom of the garden being eaten by a Sparrowhawk. And lets face it, domestic cats eat more songbirds than BOPs do.

 

If we want to secure the sport for the future we'd be better off putting more effort into attracting youngsters to the sport and making the sport more accessible to those who have had no previous contact with it. JMO  

 

 

What the RSPB said many years ago, a fancier wrote to the RSPB about the increase in Peregrines and the affect they was having on pigeon racing, their reply back that was printed in the fancy press was the most ridicules statement I have ever read, it said! Peregrines don't eat racing pigeons. The fancier duly produced evidence in the way of 300 rings found at the foot of a Peregrines nest and posted all the ring numbers, the RSPB had no answers.

 

This however shows the ignorance and arrogance of the powers that be right through to the government of the day. The reason I say this is; because during the first and second world war

There was an order to cull Peregrine on the south coast because   Over 200,000 carrier or homing pigeons were used by the Allied forces during World War I and II in order to conduct surveillance and relay messages to the front. In fact there was “16 Dickens Medals†awarded to racing pigeons “this is the equivalent to the human VC.

 

After the war a protection order was place on birds of prey, hence the problems we see today

Next time you are out and about and you see the RSPB and birds of prey shows, ask them

Why they won’t introduce the Eagle Owl back into this country, shock! Horror! Can’t do that

They will kill off the birds of prey.

 

I only had one experience with a sparrow hawk and that when I let my birds out one Sunday afternoon I head this bang and all my widowhood cocks had scattered I ran out the loft to see a hawk pinning down one of my birds I flew at the hawk it let go and the pigeon flew low across the fields, I watched the hawk grab my bird and down it went, I ran, hurdle the fence and again ran At the hawk, the hawk let go and sat on a nearby post watching me needless to say I got my bird back

With a few bruises under its wing, the hawk never came back. One victory for the good guys!

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

it has failed you wound it up ??????? still no pr guru and in same position before you started it , can safely say that a petion was handed in but only 700+ could be bothered thats why , its remain as it is as the fancy wont support it

 

Wrong on two accounts. 1. It isn't he who tried and failed that is defeated, it was those that didn't try and those that didn't support that was defeated.

 

2. IT WAS SABATAGED VIA THE ssob brigade and mateys.... that's not classed as a failure...

 

Will post up for you the flak you lot got! Only achievement to be brutaly honest was to make a laughing stock of fanciers everywhere.

I really felt for Lewadebob, who was 100% and genuine. No, in retrospect I don't think I will put them threads up, because that would be unfair to a genuine fellow.

The P.O.B had other fanciers of Rollers / Tipplers etc. showing and asking and supporting.... We was glad to have them on board... Yes we let them down. No we didn't let the Homing brigade dow, Old Yellow, you lot sabataged it.

Further we was getting between 5% and !0% discount for all kind of pigeon suppliers. We had on board the !p donated for every pigeon sent to a race. We had a Websites ready to be up and running. We had several willing to put up donations. We had a sale where Albear is still owed from. We... never mind, we didn't have the support for that even, only those spitting into the tent. If fanciers can't appreciate say 5% - 10% savings on 85% of theie yearly costs, and can't see their way clear to help themselves then just what chance do you think you will have touting for support that may cost them! Why do you think that the B.O.P  will stop ridiuling you. You have been up and trying for near, yes over two years and done nowt, absolutely nothing with no progress at all!

I'll back it, of course I will.... unlike you who threw spanners into the works every time any one else tries something. So not only did you stop your selves from making progress, but make sure no one else will make any inroads.

Just couldn't let any others make headway, whilst you have since last June - nearly a year now - don't no more than sit on your backsides and twidled your thumbs.... Sadly you are a joke, A sad one granted, but a joke

 

 

Roland at no time did i do anything to stop your campaign nor sabeutage it in anyway , it actualy had my support  more groups dealing with this issue had more likelyhood of suceeding , you were going down a different route and failed fact theres no longer a pob comittiee nor have you kept the home fires burning we GOT OUR MESSAGE OUT THERE AND IN THE BHW , your message didnt get any further than the steam from a cold coffee , further more you say im a joke think you need to take a long look in the mirror mate , our campaign cost very little the message got to alot of people , we did our bit the feed back was very poor indeed 700+ signed the petion which shows the true state of this sport however we may decide to try again not throw the towel in , i will be having descussions and hopefully we can re group and try to make a legal change to the current laws , and approach things from a slightly different angle

[Guest bigda]

well here  is the other side of it is not the true amount as there are more

but  2,800  pigeons killed or injured a day  http://blx1.bto.org/birdfacts/results/bob3200.htm

can you imagine a fed eaten in the one day  and to add that was in the year 20 00  so say with 2 Chicks added  gives you  another 35,000 to add to the total if 2 survive

but they can have 4 in the nest that would give you 75, 000 more

[Guest bigda]

can some on  here do the maths,  i forgot to include the years breeding fron the  2-3-4-5-6-7=8-9- year old birds,  that are mature  enough  to have there own 2-4 birds in  a  nest  any takers here

the some is 1,400 pairs in year  20 00  they can have  1-4 chicks

can you tell us how many there should be in   20 10 adding it up every year   :o as my figures are  short

[Roland]

Mark it hasn't got to any one, certainly not to any one that give a rat behind. It certainly hasn't even made a eye lid to flutter, nor ever will I'm afraid. Certainly hasn't got the attention of any one that counts, unless you count those that are laughing at you. So yes it may be in your view I failed. But I didnt, and haven't brought scorn on the fancy as a whole and certainly not on any individual, nor in disrepute. Now that is for sure.

What dent has the SOSB made. None. Nor will it, I know that, most know that!

So if the P.O.B is defunct, at least it isn't 2 years after still lying dormant and doing nothing like you lot have for the past 2 years and more.

And one can only send a petition in once. As soon as the names are duplicated it becomes worthless and fruitless. So you need another with fresh names on...

Diffence between the P.O.B. and you lot then id that the P.O.B. knows it's dead, whereas you don't!

Never been no where and going nowhere. Sorry, ...

[Roland]

Bigda, for once - well often have lol - I agree with you 100%

[Guest bigda]

i can see maths aint yer strong point here,  well to let you all know  and you might be surprised i have counted it,   and in the ten years they have been breding,

   and this is with only 2 survive out of  4 in any nest

   the  total is   now   and if you dont take this in  its your own fault

   716, 800 pairs in the uk   that will let you all see where yer birds are going  we in the lanarkshire   can provide 90,000 pigeons   for them to eat each year,  dont know about  who else feeds them  do the sums prove bigda wrong   as it is

[showman]

 

a website already exists  :X :X :X :X :X

 

Have you a link for it please ?

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Have you a link for it please ?

 

pm sent

[willow]

Good afternoon ,all ...........Oh my god what a responce thankyou to all ,but you are all arguing again and it must STOP NOW!I have just logged on i have not had time to look at all the PM'S but i will do it now as i have to go out again and wont be back until tomorrow night .I suggested something ,i asked for a responce and support to it ,I will look into the other sites that oldyellow says already exists but i wonder why everyone doesnt already know anout it and support it .Leave it with me i will get back to all PM'S and if there is enough support we can maybe get a meeting set up to get something started and ongoing .Please no fighting we are all concerned about the same things and if some of us want to work together good if the rest want to critisise what we are trying to achieve for everyone so be it .My apologies if i left anyones names off the list at the start of the post ,but if you want to help PM me and we can see what we can get done . Thank you once again Avril

[Guest Owen]

Well Avril, I will give you my 100% suport. And to the the people who want to argue, I think you should shut up now because you have said enough. And to Les and his mates, I would like to remind you that the Gurkers where no match for the mighty British Government until they fought and won. We may not have the best tactics right now but I am sure we will find the right way to fight if we stick at it.

[willow]

Thank you Owen and everyone else who has PM me i have answerd just a short note but i will be more active over the weekend and get something sorted out .I have a commitee meeting about my district tonight and planning etc in the carse of gowrie we also have a web site ,i might see what it says about BOP and post something on it also once i get something moving ,I am determined to do something for you all the novice that i am ,but i will need the knowledge of more experience people ,the backing of others to be able to understand what we need to put forward . Rome wasnt built in a day ,one step is a step in the right direction with a positive attitude .