this system works my dad won last 3 races on this

[jacksafc]

Has anybody came across this system, i know JR flew very well and i'm interested in the mix for the thursday and friday am feed, some of the quantities are missing.

[just ask me]

well there loads of varications of this system will work but its no sure thing all other aspects have to be good to e.g loft ventilation  training and much more

[jacksafc]

Thanks for your reply JAM, i realise that, but just want the Thurs Fri mix to save me £15 lol, the other aspects have to be right no matter what system we fly, but thanks for replying.

[Guest]

Has anybody came across this system, i know JR flew very well and i'm interested in the mix for the thursday and friday am feed, some of the quantities are missing.

you will find this system is very much like one which has been around longer than mr jr raines :-/ but as your asking for the thursday and friday feed here it is :-/FOR THURSDAY AND FRIDAY MORNING WHEN RACING 1/2OZ PER BIRD.MIX A SMALL BAG OF HOAFORM,A SMALL BAG OF GOLDEN BOOST [ OLD HAND ] 4 BAGS OF RICE  :-/,LONG GRAIN FROM SUPERMARKET,PLUS 1 SMALL BAG OF CONDITIONER [ natural ] MIX ALL THIS TOGETHER AND FEED AS STATED.THEY WILL BE OF LIKE ROCKETS :-/ ;D :X I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU .

 

[jacksafc]

Hello White Knight and thanks for the reply, i didnt mention John Raines so youre ahead of me.

However, i have these details but.......

What i'm after is the size of the bags of rice and the bag of conditioner, the bags of rice in the supermarket come in various sizes and i've looked on the net at Natural and theres no reference to small bags of conditioner, can anyone help.

Jack

[jazzman]

Thanks For This M8

[jacksafc]

Yw Jazz, but still need the last bit.

[Guest pigeon82]

the size of bags of long grain rice are 5oogramme bags also the same with the pinhead oatmeal 500 gramme bags sorry aint been on in a while soz bout that jack

[Guest]

Hello White Knight and thanks for the reply, i didnt mention John Raines so youre ahead of me.

However, i have these details but.......

What i'm after is the size of the bags of rice and the bag of conditioner, the bags of rice in the supermarket come in various sizes and i've looked on the net at Natural and theres no reference to small bags of conditioner, can anyone help.

Jack

HE DOES NOT MENTION THE SIZE OF BAGS.SO THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.AND I STILL THINK HE IS STILL RACING PIGEONS WOULD YOU TELL ANY ONE YOUR SECRETS :-/ : :) ;D

 

 

[jacksafc]

John sold all his birds and as far as i'm aware was intending to bring a team of yb's in yearly and race them, thus saving him a load of time in breeding and old bird racing, i don't know if that actualy happened.

With regard to telling eveyone his secrets he was charging interested parties 15 quid, wasn't actually giving them away.

[aye ready]

amoxycillin is sold by vetrepharm for pigeons 2ml scoop litre/water its trade name is vetromox great for y/b sickness difference after 3 days i've used it for about 10 yrs maybe more

[brerjr17]

the size of bags of long grain rice are 5oogramme bags also the same with the pinhead oatmeal 500 gramme bags sorry aint been on in a while soz bout that jack

 

Hi pigeon 82 you mention pinhead oatmeal in this post but i have not seen it mentioned anywhere else, also it says 1/2 ounce per bird

of superboost thursday and friday is this plus there normal feed, as 1/2 ounce dosn`t seem much when expected to race. Please can you clarify this thanks

[Guest puresoontjen]

its all aload of crap toping up the risk of getting more infections when your birds come off the anti to much anti is bad for birds

let them build there own imune system when they go down hill thats the time to anti ..........im not saying dont treat your birds you got to but thats to much,your system is NOT for me. CR'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''p

[just ask me]

its all aload of crap toping up the risk of getting more infections when your birds come off the anti to much anti is bad for birds

let them build there own imune system when they go down hill thats the time to anti ..........im not saying dont treat your birds you got to but thats to much,your system is NOT for me. CR'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''p

 

u might think so but 95% or more top fanicers geting results week in week out or useing antibiotots

[OLDYELLOW]

i think when it comes to treating for anything you should think would you take a parcetamol just incase you get an headache , would you have radioactive therapy loose all your hair just to make sure you dint have lukemia , the answer is you wouldnt you would seek medical advise then treat accordingly

[just ask me]

i think when it comes to treating for anything you should think would you take a parcetamol just incase you get an headache , would you have radioactive therapy loose all your hair just to make sure you dint have lukemia , the answer is you wouldnt you would seek medical advise then treat accordingly

 

fair enough oldyellow good point im just saying what i know and im not saying to put a dose of baytril in the water once  a month  nothing like that but that is done too well known for fanicers to use it before a big race what i am saying fanicers use antibiotocs though out racing season for respiratory

 

not saying its right just saying what goes on

[OLDYELLOW]

i have to agree some people use medications willy nilly even used baytrill once myself with good effect if your getting respirity disease its down to the loft design and too many pigeons , if your birds ail too often they wouldnt be of any use to me as they wouldnt survive long enough to see medication , nature suppresses the week and unfit birds be it through bad management or natural causes , it has to be survival of the fittest and fastest , birds with a week constitution will ail and will weaken any loft till there removal

[just ask me]

i have to agree some people use medications willy nilly even used baytrill once myself with good effect if your getting respirity disease its down to the loft design and too many pigeons , if your birds ail too often they wouldnt be of any use to me as they wouldnt survive long enough to see medication , nature suppresses the week and unfit birds be it through bad management or natural causes , it has to be survival of the fittest and fastest , birds with a week constitution will ail and will weaken any loft till there removal

 

true oldyellow but i do know fact that most top fanicers with top results week in week out do have a health program  once a month during the racing seson  doing for cocci worms cancer and  treating for respiraty

[OLDYELLOW]

birds will pick things up in the baskets thats for sure but a little intervention when they get home will keep them clear  

[just ask me]

birds will pick things up in the baskets thats for sure but a little intervention when they get home will keep them clear  

 

yes would agree there

[Guest Owen]

The advise is good. And we all know that pigeons are put into race baskets with all sorts of diseases. Paratyphoid is definately on the up. And in spite of the years of vaccination Paramyxo is very much still with us. If there is a growth of immunity out there it is because people are using antibiotics in a wrong way. Everybody knows someone who shoves anything and everything down their birds.

When my birds come back from a race, and especially a hold over, I know that there is a good chance that they will have picked something up. I always test all my race birds every Monday to make sure they are not carrying something.

Just last year a Fancier asked me to look at some sick birds. It was obviously Paramixo. I asked them if they had vaccinated, to which they replied that they had. When I pressed them on it they admitted that they had not. Those Fanciers had been racing those birds and mixing them with other peoples'. The reason I agree with the ideas behind the above system is because we have no choice. We have to be on the ball with medication as long as we are competeing with some of the Clowns that are out there. The only thing I would add is that I think it is very important to have the use of a microscope to avoid blind treatment. The less medication the better providing the birds are not infected. But it is much better to get rid of infections as quickely as possible.

[jacksafc]

Hi pigeon 82 you mention pinhead oatmeal in this post but i have not seen it mentioned anywhere else, also it says 1/2 ounce per bird

of superboost thursday and friday is this plus there normal feed, as 1/2 ounce dosn`t seem much when expected to race. Please can you clarify this thanks

 

Thats just the morning feed, thursday pm is a form of race mix and theres no Friday pm.

 

Regarding treating the birds we could debate it all day but most people do it, these veterinary examinations are all very well but expensive and everyone doesnt have access to an avian vet.

[jacksafc]

Id be interested to know what can be detected with a home microscope,obviously worms, canker and cocci,but can anything else be detected.

[Guest strapper]

i agree with owens post , too many fanciers are not treating and sending birds that are in the same compartment as ill birds. believing that the birds that show no illness are ok to send.

if that bird has been in close quarters with an ill bird then its a very good chance it has no symptoms yet and is due to have them...probably over the weekend its in the basket.

paramyxo was everywhere last season ,amongst others...paratyhoid as owen says is deffo on the increase .

i actually had mine tested today(vet) but they was clear.

its a growing problem.

resp is on the increase too and believe me...there are lofts where there is no reason for resp but it appears.

i believe i read its rife in germany...near enough everyone has to treat because its no longer just being caused by over crowding and the way your loft is.

i know someone who has never had youngbird sickness in 20 odd years of racing but had it last year.

i think its a case now of fancier be AWARE!...

[Guest Owen]

jacksafc, I bought a microscope about three years ago from, Brunell. When I picked it up they showed me how to use it and gave me a booklet. Since then I have had two other microscopes and attended three courses with David Parsons, the Vet. One of the best Microscopes I have had was bought at either Lidel or Aldi, I can'nt remember which. It cost 40:00.

It took a bit of time to learn how to use the microscope but it has been well worth it. I can pick up all the worms. Cocci, canker, hexamita and yeast.  The hardest problem to pick up on was repiratory disease but I can now find it. When it comes to e.coli and paratyphoid I can not indentify them specifically but I can see when the bacterial levels go up. That is a warning that there is a problem on the way. That's enough for me to take action to sort things out.

One of the best things about the microscope is that I test after I have treated for something to check if the medication actually works. And you would be surprised how often certain treatments don't do the job. Last year I had a serious cocci problem and I treated for it. After checking I found out that I had'nt cured it. It took me three goes to sort it out in the end. Without the microscope, I would never have known. Probably the best thing about it is the fact that I can work out where my problems lie rather than guessing and quite often, I am the problem. And sometimes, it is the fact that the bird or birds are just not good enough. Then, they go and I don't wast any more time or money on them.