this system works my dad won last 3 races on this

[Guest pigeon82]

This system contains all you need to knowto keep your birds in perfecthealth without which you will not win races. I will not bore you with pages of bullshit but get straight to the point.

STEP 1 should be carried out with old birds as well as youngsters at least a month to six weeks before racing starts. Vaccination againest paratyphoid/salmonella. this illness is very hard to detect. The pigeons look look OK, train OK but are justthat yard behind the winners. A top Belgian vet has stated that 95% of lofts world wide have this disease in their lofts without knowing it. They have what are known as  carriers, you will not get any good results until this disease is eleminated or kept under control. That is a fact, get them vaccinatednow!! (TRIMETHOPRIM) followed by 5 days withwith any good probiotic and multivit mixed together. after 5 days vaccinate all birds followed by 2 days probiotic and vitamins.

STEP 2 One week to ten days after vaccination treat for canker. we use metronidazole  :Xtablets. make sure any tablets used are200mg not 500mg, cut the tablet into four quarters and use one quarter per day for three days only. please note we give a quarter of a tablet every third week when racing old and young. Do not forget any canker treatment use multivits at any time during the racing season, please note that we do nottreat for cocci as in our food for rasing we use chicken layer pellets which containan anticocci stat.

STEP3 worms, we always treat for worms with mediworm a very good product. one tablet per bird. Always leave approximately one week between treatments.

STEP4 is the treatment for respitory diseasewe treat for five to seven days with doxycycline. The product we use is lased with with multivits so no need for any vits after treatment We use 'doxy' every three to four weeks when racing for two days alternate with canker treatment, one week after return from racetreat for canker the next day, we always use on Sunday and Monday.

STEP5 Is the most important of all. Why do birds lose the edge after a decent result or two? Well the big problem is 9 times out of 10 is fungal or thrush as it is known. unless you treat this for five days you will not get your birds back in racing condition. Fungal problems are mainly brought on by the abuse of antibiotics. We would urge you to use Medistatin which is our preferred treatment for fungal/candida problems. No treatment= crap results!! Simple as that. The nystatin powder we use is the one made specifically for pigeons in the world, good stuff. We use every four weeks ,only if your pigeons are coming ok and our among the prizes treat every six weeks. use this system as stated and if you have any decent pigeons you will be amongst the prizes most weeks (FACT)

Our feeding system is quite simple we always use diet200 on a morning, never depuritive,1/2 oz per bird and Versa Laga Super Widowhood Plus on a night 1 oz approximately.4 x 12 mile training tosses every week for the firast six weeks then 2 a week for the rest of the season. Stick it to it never change (sprint racing only)  cider vineger twice per week oregostim in water (good stuff). Stick to the system details for top results.

STEP6 is our super boost feed for Thursday and Friday morning when racing. Mix a small bag of Homaform(1/2oz per bird), a small bag of golden boost(old hand) 4 bags of ricelong grained from the super market, plus 1 small bag of conditioner (natural) mix all of this together and feed as stated. They will be off like rockets! I guarentee if you stick to this sysem 100% top results will come your way. GOOD LUCK

 

HOPE THIS HELPS YOU OUT MATE MY DAD GOT IT FROM SOMEONE CALLED JR AND AS YOU SAW IT WORKED FOR HIM ALSO IN THOSE 3 RACES HE HAD BIRDS IN THE FED AND COMBINE SO IT DEFINATELY WORKS LET ME KNOW WAT YOU THINK OF IT :X :X :X :X :X

[Guest]

Great advice. I think without a health program today you're cooked. I hate anti biotics but as with humans we have now come to rely on them. There are so many super bugs around that you have to try and keep your birds clean. I would add some  other things. Pro biotics and cider vinegar,  they are excellent products for keeping the gut healthy and they get these at least once a week. I use horse pro biotics they are far cheaper than the ones on the pigeon market. Molasses is also a very good product again you can get it for horses very cheap. Finally to coat my food with the pro biotic I use good old fashioned Cod liver oil. My birds are fed heavy protien however from race 1 because I'm interested in the Channel races, they have hemp on a Thursday every race and once I get to 300 mile hemp and peanuts the 4 days prior to basketing (widowhood cocks).

When vaccinating for paratyphoid I would treat them with baytril 10 days prior to vaccination, this ensures they are 'clean' when vaccinating, only my opinion.

[Guest pigeon82]

thanks mate interesting would horse stuff not be to strong tho as the size of them compared to our little birds

[Guest]

Just dilute it down. I bought quite a large tub of pro biotics for £7.50 has lasted me two seasons, probably two seasons left. Though I might get rid of because of age and get a new tub next year. Molasses is like red cell (obviously with out all the added bits) etc, again dirt cheap for horses. I even get my cod live r oilf for horses. If yanyone's in to garlic agan go to your local horse stockist far cheaper than the pigeon stuff. As a disclaimer I have too say as my misses keeps saying are you sure that won't harm your pigeons, it's developed for a different animal. It could harm them I suppose, but it ain't hurt mine, that's not to say it won't! But I'm happy to carry on using them.

[Guest pigeon82]

cool great advice thanks mate im actually from further down ur area my dad still lives down there in cornwall and races with the st austell club he used to do the big show down there duchy rpc show

[Guest pigeon82]

i hope all this advice helps you all but please anymore advice on the system used or other please let me and others know

[steve d]

Some bloke sold this system in homing world about 6 weeks ago I paid £10.00 for it  ;D ;D ;D

It was worded word for word exactly as it is written in the post, it didn't please me as what was written most fanciers knew anyway. ;)

[Guest pigeon82]

yeah but for wat novices dont know  it may help them also i was just suggesting it may help some people witht their birds getting them up my dad used it and he gained 3 firsts in 3 races also he was in the fed and combine results

[Guest strapper]

only thing im worried about, in ur advice is having multivits in with resp treatment?..this defeats the object of medicating.

it is well known that any vitamin treatments/grit should be removed when treatment begings.

calcium weakens the teatment  given so should be avoided.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

Giving birds all that treatment without the need for it will in the short term produce good winning pigeons , but ask yourselfs at what price ? as these will need proping up later on with more drugs and cost far more bescause there natural immunity will be weakened and compromised , for most a trip to a good avian vet will put there birds on the right track , the above guide is usefull and should only be used as that a guide . If you screen your birds regulary via droppings and a microbaterial swab once a month you start seeing patterns of infection out breaks , hygeine in the loft should be adequate to prevent most disease out breaks , regular changing of water twice aday is a must as most bacterial infections are spread via the water.

[Guest pigeon82]

i know wat your saying old yellow but its only oncce a year its not as if they have it every weekplus its bound to get rid of the bugs and keep the bird healthy but thats my perception everyone has different veiws

[frank-123]

thanks pigeon 82 for posting it up

[Guest pigeon82]

wats that mate hope it helps you it was being sold in bhw but i figured it would be best to help others but thats me lol

[frank-123]

aye great advice pity some other's on here don't offer the same

anybody use amoxiciilan?

[Guest pigeon82]

no mate wats it meant to do

[frank-123]

don't know i seen a top flyer give it to someone in blackpool

he said it will kill any disease your birds have only give it if they are poorly

 

 

[Guest pigeon82]

i aint sure but i know i used to be presribed amoxicillan because its an antibiotic i wud say it wud be to strong for pigeons

[Lennut Tar]

Giving birds all that treatment without the need for it will in the short term produce good winning pigeons , but ask yourselfs at what price ? as these will need proping up later on with more drugs and cost far more bescause there natural immunity will be weakened and compromised , for most a trip to a good avian vet will put there birds on the right track , the above guide is usefull and should only be used as that a guide . If you screen your birds regulary via droppings and a microbaterial swab once a month you start seeing patterns of infection out breaks , hygeine in the loft should be adequate to prevent most disease out breaks , regular changing of water twice aday is a must as most bacterial infections are spread via the water.

 

 

One wise man   ;) & one of the best things one can spend their money on etc, before buying all those goodies   :P is a microscope & then learn how to use it.

Enjoy.

 

[frank-123]

learn how to use it is the hard bit ??)

[Guest Freebird]

This system contains all you need to knowto keep your birds in perfecthealth without which you will not win races. I will not bore you with pages of bullshit but get straight to the point.

STEP 1 should be carried out with old birds as well as youngsters at least a month to six weeks before racing starts. Vaccination againest paratyphoid/salmonella. this illness is very hard to detect. The pigeons look look OK, train OK but are justthat yard behind the winners. A top Belgian vet has stated that 95% of lofts world wide have this disease in their lofts without knowing it. They have what are known as  carriers, you will not get any good results until this disease is eleminated or kept under control. That is a fact, get them vaccinatednow!! (TRIMETHOPRIM) followed by 5 days withwith any good probiotic and multivit mixed together. after 5 days vaccinate all birds followed by 2 days probiotic and vitamins.

STEP 2 One week to ten days after vaccination treat for canker. we use metronidazole  :Xtablets. make sure any tablets used are200mg not 500mg, cut the tablet into four quarters and use one quarter per day for three days only. please note we give a quarter of a tablet every third week when racing old and young. Do not forget any canker treatment use multivits at any time during the racing season, please note that we do nottreat for cocci as in our food for rasing we use chicken layer pellets which containan anticocci stat.

STEP3 worms, we always treat for worms with mediworm a very good product. one tablet per bird. Always leave approximately one week between treatments.

STEP4 is the treatment for respitory diseasewe treat for five to seven days with doxycycline. The product we use is lased with with multivits so no need for any vits after treatment We use 'doxy' every three to four weeks when racing for two days alternate with canker treatment, one week after return from racetreat for canker the next day, we always use on Sunday and Monday.

STEP5 Is the most important of all. Why do birds lose the edge after a decent result or two? Well the big problem is 9 times out of 10 is fungal or thrush as it is known. unless you treat this for five days you will not get your birds back in racing condition. Fungal problems are mainly brought on by the abuse of antibiotics. We would urge you to use Medistatin which is our preferred treatment for fungal/candida problems. No treatment= crap results!! Simple as that. The nystatin powder we use is the one made specifically for pigeons in the world, good stuff. We use every four weeks ,only if your pigeons are coming ok and our among the prizes treat every six weeks. use this system as stated and if you have any decent pigeons you will be amongst the prizes most weeks (FACT)

Our feeding system is quite simple we always use diet200 on a morning, never depuritive,1/2 oz per bird and Versa Laga Super Widowhood Plus on a night 1 oz approximately.4 x 12 mile training tosses every week for the firast six weeks then 2 a week for the rest of the season. Stick it to it never change (sprint racing only)  cider vineger twice per week oregostim in water (good stuff). Stick to the system details for top results.

STEP6 is our super boost feed for Thursday and Friday morning when racing. Mix a small bag of Homaform(1/2oz per bird), a small bag of golden boost(old hand) 4 bags of ricelong grained from the super market, plus 1 small bag of conditioner (natural) mix all of this together and feed as stated. They will be off like rockets! I guarentee if you stick to this sysem 100% top results will come your way. GOOD LUCK

 

HOPE THIS HELPS YOU OUT MATE MY DAD GOT IT FROM SOMEONE CALLED JR AND AS YOU SAW IT WORKED FOR HIM ALSO IN THOSE 3 RACES HE HAD BIRDS IN THE FED AND COMBINE SO IT DEFINATELY WORKS LET ME KNOW WAT YOU THINK OF IT :X :X :X :X :X

Very interesting and very worrying post. Is it all down to winning now? What about the welfare of the birds. What about the future of the sport. What about the concequences of our actions. The pigeon, like ourselves has an imune system far more advanced than any pharmacutical company can conjure up to get your ������'s so for  for the sake of our birds, only use if nessesary. Is it so hard to comprehend. If you get it wrong then the only thing lost is a couple of pigeons. Keep doing this and the birds ( hopefully only the birds ) will be wiped out, But the un-treated ferals will be in full bloom. I'm worried and I don't know

 

 

[Guest]

A microsope will pick up things, you need to be quite skilled though because we're not just talking about worm or cocci eggs today. Most diseases tend to take a few days to manifest, then you have trouble and you may have to stop the birds for a few races. I would prefer to have a health program in place. But each to their own, many roads lead to Rome! I think you have to keep your birds healthy because if they're not healthy you can't keep them fit.

The other interesting thing on this thread is the absence of comments from the many distance fanatics on this site. Is that because they don't want fanciers to know this is what they do?

[Guest]

Very interesting and very worrying post. Is it all down to winning now? What about the welfare of the birds. What about the future of the sport. What about the concequences of our actions. The pigeon, like ourselves has an imune system far more advanced than any pharmacutical company can conjure up to get your ££££££'s so for FU*ks sake and for the sake of our birds, only use if nessesary. Is it so hard to comprehend. If you get it wrong then the only thing lost is a couple of pigeons. Keep doing this and the birds ( hopefully only the birds ) will be wiped out, But the un-treated ferals will be in full bloom. I'm worried and I don't know sh*t.

 

 

Why are you worried? Be more worried about yourself and your fellow men. Life expectancy is going up and up so is the use of all different types of medication. People who would not have lived past childhood 50 years ago are living in to their 70s babies that would have died at childbirth with the aid of medicines have a good life expectancy. Are you saying we shouldn't be doing this because we are losing immunity? Most people are happy to lose immunity and live to 80 rather than have immunity and die 20 years earlier

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

I think if you use medication during race season wisely you are ok when problems arise is year round continued usage

 

 

I bet if you were to check 99%of the winning lofts are using some type of respitory product I use a lot of natural products but I also medicate during the races I dont medicate my breeders though and havent given them anything in about 5 years now

[just ask me]

on the above post im in pigeons to win and ill try my best cant see how for a few weeks a year medication can harm them once as its not overboard

 

and as he said in his post i dont know sh*t

[Guest Freebird]

 

Why are you worried? Be more worried about yourself and your fellow men. Life expectancy is going up and up so is the use of all different types of medication. People who would not have lived past childhood 50 years ago are living in to their 70s babies that would have died at childbirth with the aid of medicines have a good life expectancy. Are you saying we shouldn't be doing this because we are losing immunity? Most people are happy to lose immunity and live to 80 rather than have immunity and die 20 years earlier

O.K. Read my post and that will answer your first question, Yeh. I am worried about my fellow men ( you ). Life EXPECTANCY is going up, why? Sanitation, Hygene, Diet bla bla bla. Are you doing this to enhance your pigeons life expectancy? I totaly agree with your point re medication (£££££££'s)? How can you claim people who would have "died 50 years ago" etc. etc. would be o.k. now???? You've missed the point completely. To save a life is one thing. To win a race is another. To blindly use medication is another, and to me totaly insane and irresponsible. Answer me this, Why? are you routinely medicating your birds. Clean loft, best of feed, crystal clear water, fresh air, sunlight, ESSENTIAL vitamins and minerals, excersize and good management will win the day. If it doesn't then we should all get an x-box and play virtual pigeon racing. I do not wish to offend, just hopefully open some eyes. After all, we all share one common passion, a wee bird that will give its all for the man in charge.(smarty2)