best pigeons in uk

[Roland]

'............Condition,contentment and control. You wont go far wrong...'

Well in the right order I certainly agree. and Contentment has to be first to acheive anything after, I believe...

[Back garden fancier]

How come if someone in Belgium / Holland buys a pigeon it takes their name at once. Yet look at people like Chris Gordon etc. How often have you seen a Gordon for sale? It would be sold as a Chris Gordon Vanreet or whatever. Why?

[Guest]

The best pigeons kept in the UK are the ones managed by the best fancier.

[Guest]

Back garden fancier it's because in this country image/ brand is more important than substance. Because of that fact British sellers have realised they are better off maintaining the link with the 'known name'. Let me give you a classic example and an example of one of the finest partnerships of all time who are trying their damndest to break the mould and even they are struggling to change perception. I'm talking abut M & D Evans, their birds are in incredible demand, they are breeding fantastic pigeons and as I suggested about 3 years ago on PIPA much to the disdain of some of the continental fanciers, they are actually by their fantastic breeding skills improving the Vandenabeeles. NO they are improving the M & D Evans strain but how many Britsh fanciers refer to the M & D Evans strain?? None that I am aware of most of the adverts you see will state they are selling Vandenabeeles, a lot will give credit in the smaller print but the advert will say Vandenabeeles (I'm probably speling this wrong). Look at the Lycett's sale (and it is very sad to see this family leaving the sport) they talk about the Vandenabeles not the M & D Evans (I appreciate they give full credit and am not in any way trying to be critical of them).

Back garden fancier let's look at Chris Gordon.......this man at the moment is hot, red hot, in fact in my eyes phenomenal. How is he doing it, he actually is creating I understand/believe a strain, he has crossed the Busschaerts as supplied by Pearson & Dransfield with the old English strains particularly of Eric Fox of Bakewell, if you look at the results he is beating fanciers flying 150 mile less than him, in many classic races and at good velocities not smash races.

Le's take this a stage further, if there were 6 YB put up for sale on this site from Chris Gordon, out of birds that had flown 600 mile but with no fancy names in the pedigre, and there were 6 YB put on by Jos Thone, with named birds in the pedigree but none nearer than grandfather. Which would sell the best I'll bet the Jos Thone...........where as i can honestly say if you gave me the choice of any YB from any long distance fancier in the world at this moment in time, the only loft I would consider taking above Chris Gordon would be possibly Wim Muller.

Other top distance men in this country have suffered because they do not 'adopt' a fashionable name. It is a malady of this country that we put more value on designer name than the actual goods.

I't been over 30 years since I stopped playing rugby. I took my 7 yo last week to buy him rugby boots, do you think I could find him a decent proper pair? No I had to end up buying him a fancy pair of football boots, not fit for purpose. That's what's happening in the world of pigeon sales, look at the birds for sale on this site, the ones that are selling are generally designer names and the dearer end. One well known fancier who I count as a friend once told me, overprice rather than underprice. If you put birds on cheap fanciers will think they are no good..........add deigner name to price with superb performance by one pigeon in the pedigree and by heck you may make a couple of bob. but if you have for sale birds of the Wurzle family of Wiveliscombe with both parents having scored at 500 mile, you may be pushed to sell unless you add some Sheppy's cider to the deal!!!

[Fair Play]

A lot of truths in your post albear the names definately sell pigeons some of the names in the pedigree are so far back they are distant memories maybe thats why pedigrees are getting longer

[just ask me]

albear finally someone talking sence rember when u buy thse fancy breeds of pigeon some of these pigeons were kept in lofts with loft mangers cleaners cleaned maybe 4 or 5 times a day with lofs that most of us can only imagine heating plates u know u all seen the videos for most of us we cant copy there work effort lofts with our day time jobs of course there are top quailty birds to be got in belgum and germany and rember to see where hes liveing and who hes flying aganist i was looking at birds with many 1st prizes in holland and when i done my homework he was liveing in the perfect area and was raceing aganist mostly disstance men yes there was big birdage in the races but the disance men were mostlly useing them for traning tosses

[timbarra]

the best pigeons are those that belong to a winning family , closely bred family and are true to type and can be motivated without problems, to gain wins every week.

 

good birds, good fancier correct feeding and motivation... keep them healthy and you will become a champion !! not hard is it really... not rocket science.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

good birds, good fancier correct feeding and motivation... keep them healthy and you will become a champion !! not hard is it really... not rocket science.

 

If it is not hard nor rocket science -- what were you the champion of if you don't mind me asking  ?

[Guest]

Theory is good, but Practical validates theory! Its extremely hard to reach the top, and once there, its even harder to stay there. Here in the North East, we don't have rocket scientists, but we do have some extremely top class and competitive pigeon men. I am sure they all found it "not hard" as they worked their way up to earn their Champion status! If it was as easy as suggested, why arent we all the top fliers?

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Theory is good, but Practical validates theory! Its extremely hard to reach the top, and once there, its even harder to stay there. Here in the North East, we don't have rocket scientists, but we do have some extremely top class and competitive pigeon men. I am sure they all found it "not hard" as they worked their way up to earn their Champion status! If it was as easy as suggested, why arent we all the top fliers?

 

could not agree more about the north east and indeed scotland, both contain some of the best fanciers in the world and i include Belgium and Dutch in that comment

 

 

[Guest CS]

Crossed strain is better racing, as far as management is more important

[retired]

Crossed strain is better racing, as far as management is more important

 

 

i agree craig but try even giving away a crossed pigeon

 

I have always been told -

 

cross them to race and keep them pure to sell

 

Although what is a pure pigeon these days a lot of the families go back to the same pigeons

 

the Peter Van der merwes for example when i look back around four generations on my pedigrees on some fo my birds they contain the same birds as the merwe pigeons.

 

[Guest]

 

If it is not hard nor rocket science -- what were you the champion of if you don't mind me asking  ?

 

                                       :o :o

[Guest Paulo]

Theory is good, but Practical validates theory! Its extremely hard to reach the top, and once there, its even harder to stay there. Here in the North East, we don't have rocket scientists, but we do have some extremely top class and competitive pigeon men. I am sure they all found it "not hard" as they worked their way up to earn their Champion status! If it was as easy as suggested, why arent we all the top fliers?

 

Couldn't agree more if it were easy everyone would be winning

[Guest j.bamling]

I would have to say the best strain in the UK by far is VAN WINNERS at the end of the day they are still just Pigeons !!!

[George UK]

best hen i ever had was my ex wife lol

[Guest SMUDGER PETE]

MY BEST PIGOEN IS A PIGOEN AND LOST IT 2DAYS AGO :'(

[Roland]

Yep, had a fellow flyer sum it up just this week.

I asked 'with the Fed radious as they are, I shall bother to join ''''' Club. I mean does anyone near this area ever get a look in'?

His answer was. 'Well of course, just as the North East normally dominate the MNFC, Like wis our fed ... if Wind changes of course then it is...'

No! Not all the best flyers live in prime locations, but the Best won't beat those that do'!

Soin reality when buying  birds do the homework, and at the top put, Location  / wind and how many!

[schouwman71]

its all interesting stuff isnt it,and thatts what makes pigeon racing so facinating.

[Merlin]

Regardless of all the hyped up strain names, and there are new fashionable ones each and every year, there are only two types of pigeons, GOOD ONES AND BAD ONES! Pedigrees are only as good as the person that is writing them!

 

My sentiments also.

[tori no nail]

Spot on- it is not the pedigree that makes a great racer its the management 80% of the time.

 

I have been racing winners for 50 years and if I was to name a specific breed it would be the hanssenes have proven for me, even the breeds I have crossed with them.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

  Pedigrees are only as good as the person that is writing them!

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yes and paper can take on anything you care to put on it, the one thing that the pedigree does give you is a license to add a lot more to the price the rip off merchants charge you

[swilcox]

Pedigrees only really matter when you select pigeons from outside of your loft,(providing there honest) they may indicate what, distance a pigeon may perform at or breed bird to perform at!! But once you have purchased it, that paper means nowt and then the basic takes over.

 

 

Give me a pigeon with prize cards any day but they can often be hard to obtain.

 

Stuart

[883girl]

Mine, i love them! ;D ;D

[Guest]

Mine, i love them! ;D ;D

 

Alot of sense in that,you know exactly what you've got with your own! ,Everyone at Blackpool and the like will try and convince you that you need this that and the other,but is what they have to offer really as good as what you've already got? :-/