rodney nicholls Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 Hello everyone. ive been a member on here for a while but i never write anything. me and my dad fly as R.R Nicholls in Tilbury. we fly north and south road. we have been a partnership for about 9 years. i would like to know a little bit about widowhood cocks. how many times do you show hens whilst racing and do you show whilst training. thanks alot.
john nico Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 i show the hens to the cocks every friday before basketing as soon as the cocks and hens get down in the bowl i will take the cock away and basket him do not let the cock thread the hen if my yealing arnt havn ago whilst training i will show them the odd time hope some ov this helps
Tony C Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 Welcome Rodney, I don’t know you personally but know the partnership name as I fly in the West Essex Fed. To answer your question I show the hens to my yearling w/hood cocks every basketing night. These yearling are genaraly sent to the first race sitting their second lot of eggs. They may get a couple of midweek chucks back to their hens between the 2nd & 3rd races and that’s it. The older cocks are also sent to the first race sitting and after that they see their hens on basketing night for the first couple of races then after that they’re treated as individuals meaning some get to see their hens some don’t. The older cocks get cute to the game so I try to keep them guessing. I guess its only fare you know my name as I know yours I fly under Mr&Mrs T Calverley in the Trades Hall club. Have a good season.
rodney nicholls Posted March 9, 2009 Author Report Posted March 9, 2009 thanks for your help we cant wait for raceing now
steve d Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 All roads lead to Rome mate, my preference is giving the yearlings a short 5 miler Thursday night back to the hens,(allow contact for about 3 minutes) I then just show the bowl on Friday. I aint saying this is the best way but do know of some good fanciers that do this, the yearlings are calmer in race basket on Friday. :)
rodney nicholls Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Posted March 10, 2009 how much food do you give your widowhood cocks some people give them what thay want what do you think
joe61 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 All roads lead to Rome mate, my preference is giving the yearlings a short 5 miler Thursday night back to the hens,(allow contact for about 3 minutes) I then just show the bowl on Friday. I aint saying this is the best way but do know of some good fanciers that do this, the yearlings are calmer in race basket on Friday. :) I think this comment is worlds in front of most fanciers actually, why not leave cocks with hens all day thursday and friday and then basket. this is forward thinking, my son has raced hens like this for 8 years... and had success winning 50% of all races entered and prized in 90% of races.. oh happy days
rodney nicholls Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Posted March 10, 2009 i live about five miles from me dad so i will bring the cocks home with me and let them go on a thursday and put hens in boxes
jacksafc Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Steve D and Joe 61, do the birds go out before the 5 mile toss or is that all the flying they get, i used to toss the cocks back to the hens on Fridays but was a panic, thursdays sounds good.
jacksafc Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Steve D and Joe 61, do the birds go out before the 5 mile toss or is that all the flying they get, i used to toss the cocks back to the hens on Fridays but was a panic, thursdays sounds good.
steve d Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 hello jack, i give mine there thursday pm usual exercise then when called in i leave it about an hour then the missus takes them for me.
just ask me Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 with yearlings mate be careful as u can jig them up too much what i do is i don't show the hens for the first few tosses but they are always there when they come back and then when racing season comes around it all depends on how i feel the cocks are doing sometimes i mightn't show the hens till the second or third race i introduce them when i feel they need a kick in the back side remember even though u are training every time u show the hens its another little bit of motivation lost and its a long season so what i try to do is go as long as possible without showing the hens some fanicers don't show the hens at all the most important thing is that they are there when they come back many different ways ideas here we will have u thinking now ;D ;D ;D
rodney nicholls Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Posted March 16, 2009 thanks for all your help i dont think you can stop learning. we have always raced hens with the cocks but i will still race some hens
Guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 if you dont show the hen the cocks are more calm in the basket, needless energy wasted showin hens before a race i think
andy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 with yearlings mate be careful as u can jig them up too much what i do is i don't show the hens for the first few tosses but they are always there when they come back and then when racing season comes around it all depends on how i feel the cocks are doing sometimes i mightn't show the hens till the second or third race i introduce them when i feel they need a kick in the back side remember even though u are training every time u show the hens its another little bit of motivation lost and its a long season so what i try to do is go as long as possible without showing the hens some fanicers don't show the hens at all the most important thing is that they are there when they come back many different ways ideas here we will have u thinking now ;D ;D ;D Great post I carry out this practise also. I dont show the hens for the first 4 or 5 races and if they're in the fed every week, sometimes 6 or 7 races or until there's a slight dip in form. You must keep them guessing and strive for a team performance rather than one pigeon ahead of the rest.
ribble Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 For the longer races i like to put them together for 30-40 minutes, so the cocks tread. I find they are then more relaxed in the basket.
rodney nicholls Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Posted March 18, 2009 took cocks training today and i put the hens in the boxes and thay was going mad when thay came back it has been a lovely day for it
jimmy white Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 when on w/hood would normaly show the hens b4 the go to the race, then let them back to the hens after the race but sometimes just not quite as simple as this,, as, " ask me says ", some yearling cocks can go over the top by doing this,,, all birds have different temprements , some yearlings with a quiet nature can handle this ,,others will just lose form very quickly due to being far to excited, far to quickly,and take a lot out of themselves during transit,then loose form very quickly. as two year olds its often not neccessary to even show the hens ,just upturn their bowl and open their side of the nest box, as long as their hens are there for their return, as they should know the game by then, i feel that due to the different temperaments of each individual cocks ,, they can be treated in the best way that suits them,, ,,, but be very carefull of yearlings,, its a long programme
Guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Posted June 7, 2009 Have a look at this link, a good system to start you of on widowhood http://www.tumleylofts.co.uk/widowhood.htm
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