Single Up Training

[Guest CS]

have you  tried single up training this season.... have you done so? and how have your results been in comparison with previous seasons?

[Guest]

;D yes Craig , i done it this year on first four tosses , as advised by Mosslands 1 and had fewer losses this year than ever also had best yb season so far winning 3 races . this is definetly how i will do it in future ??    andy

[Back garden fancier]

I do it with both old and young birds, not too far about 5 miles. I do this on a Friday morning, think it gives them confidence to be on their own and not with a pack.

[Guest]

No single-ups this year, concentrated instead on 'straight-home', 'breaking' and 'all weather' training. Trained with club mate flying both a bigger team and farther than me, and joint releases between 7pm and 8pm rain wind or shine and at that time of night [nearing sunset] they don't go on tour.

 

Quite happy with them,  and confident that they'll keep coming despite weather, few of them home from races soaking wet whereas my experience before was that would have been guaranteed to put mine down.

 

Looking forward to next year.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

No single-ups this year, concentrated instead on 'straight-home', 'breaking' and 'all weather' training. Trained with club mate flying both a bigger team and farther than me, and joint releases between 7pm and 8pm rain wind or shine and at that time of night [nearing sunset] they don't go on tour.

 

Quite happy with them,  and confident that they'll keep coming despite weather, few of them home from races soaking wet whereas my experience before was that would have been guaranteed to put mine down.

 

Looking forward to next year.                  

 

                                      ;D             if you noticed my first post Bruno , mine were singled up first four tosses . then went onto same training as you gave them . maybe its a combination of both that made them win ?? where as before they did not ??   ;D ;D                                                      andy

 

 

[Guest CS]

Next year, i probs try toss 3 birds, then next 3 birds then next 3 birds etc if i have time to do that but depends on the time to train the birds.  

 

Someone said on the other forum said "toss in threes which gives them some competition, I toss the next three when the first three are just going out of site and you will be surprised how fast they fly to try and catch up with the three in front of them."

[Fair Play]

Just watched a video where a top fancier was asked, does he train single up,- answer - no, he saw no point and this guy also has fabulous results. One point he made races his young birds right out and knows what his best birds are at the end of the season and get rid of the not so good ones - saw one of his sales for young birds - food for thought  :

[Guest]

Just watched a video where a top fancier was asked, does he train single up,- answer - no, he saw no point and this guy also has fabulous results. One point he made races his young birds right out and knows what his best birds are at the end of the season and get rid of the not so good ones - saw one of his sales for young birds - food for thought  :

;D all good stuff , what works for one , doesnt suit another? this year was the first year i singled up, (been flying four seasons) . and this year won 3 out of 8 yb races and wasnt too far behind in the others , also food for thought  ;D ;D                       andy

 

 

[Roland]

Just watched a video where a top fancier was asked, does he train single up,- answer - no, he saw no point and this guy also has fabulous results. One point he made races his young birds right out and knows what his best birds are at the end of the season and get rid of the not so good ones - saw one of his sales for young birds - food for thought  :

 

Well many 'Names' do this after trying out new stock f course to offsett their losses cost wise.

A few genuine ones about granted, but the best tip I'd give is 'In you heart of hearts does the Fancier like you'1 Now I don't mean the purring and nod nod wink wink, brag brag and telling you in cnfidence con, I mean genuine like you! If so he will sell you what he believes will serve you well ... otherwise you may well be fodda'. JMO

[Guest]

;D             if you noticed my first post Bruno , mine were singled up first four tosses . then went onto same training as you gave them . maybe its a combination of both that made them win ?? where as before they did not ??   ;D ;D                                                      andy

 

Honestly missed that single-up bit Andy, but if you remember back I did say that I needed to change my methods and was following your advice in my own YB training. I usually go out to 40 miles and single, double or treble up depending upon how many birds I have with me, but this year bred a small team of YBs to educate well & race out, I stayed at 20 miles  [as our club champion does] and went twice a week. They have been trained east & west and raced out 185 miles south, so I am quite happy with that and probably adopt same for next years YBs.,

 

Next step is to plan out their training as yearlings: I'd like them to train 20 miles North and race out to the coast, 370/400 miles. But nothing thought out yet....

 

 

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

Have thought about single ups - but never got any further than that  

 

However I would only single up the old birds for distance racing ( but thats just me)

 

Maybe next year  ;D

[NANCYVIEWLOFTS]

we only 2 them up as we think it helps them compete against each other

also it gives them confidence to trap on race day they get used to not trapping as a team and entering the loft on their own not looking where the rest of the team are

[Guest shadow]

two them up if you have the time to leave at least 15 mins between each pair anything less than that and you run the risk of them joining up out of sight from you.

[pj1001]

We would train all our birds old and young in 3's up to 25 miles. We feel there are 2 main advantages to this:-

 

1. It makes the birds think for themselves rather than follow that batch home. In young bird racing especially we tend to get more birds coming later in the evening from difficult races and also the following morning that the majority of club mates. I don't know for sure if it is because the birds are trained in smaller numbers or not and so have to think for themselves, but I feel it has some input into this.

 

2. Where we live is 4 miles from the mountains and which are littered with peregrines (35 + pairs known), so if you train in small numbers if Percy does decide to strike your birds it will only be 3 birds that he/she comes into direct contact with rather than your whole team is you train en mass.

 

PJ

 

 

 

 

 

[Ed Bourque]

pj1001 do you loose many birds this way? Ed

[jimmy white]

We would train all our birds old and young in 3's up to 25 miles. We feel there are 2 main advantages to this:-

 

1. It makes the birds think for themselves rather than follow that batch home. In young bird racing especially we tend to get more birds coming later in the evening from difficult races and also the following morning that the majority of club mates. I don't know for sure if it is because the birds are trained in smaller numbers or not and so have to think for themselves, but I feel it has some input into this.

 

2. Where we live is 4 miles from the mountains and which are littered with peregrines (35 + pairs known), so if you train in small numbers if Percy does decide to strike your birds it will only be 3 birds that he/she comes into direct contact with rather than your whole team is you train en mass.

 

PJ

 

 

def would agree , would even prefer to single yb,s up [after initial learning] a few times ,, but a large batch of birds definately fun for percy :-/

 

 

 

[pj1001]

Last year we lost 12 youngsters out of 60 in training and racing, we raced every race with half the team, the other half we gave 3-4 races then put them on the shelf. This year we reared 64 and have 52 left at the end of the season, again we only sent half the team most weeks and the other half had 3-4 races. Any weeks the weather forecast was bad we either didn't send or only sent a few.

 

 

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

i did it this yr and had less losses

[Wiley]

Last year we lost 12 youngsters out of 60 in training and racing, we raced every race with half the team, the other half we gave 3-4 races then put them on the shelf. This year we reared 64 and have 52 left at the end of the season, again we only sent half the team most weeks and the other half had 3-4 races. Any weeks the weather forecast was bad we either didn't send or only sent a few.

 

 

how did those pigeons that had 3-4 races compare to those that raced the full programme, perform as yearlings? Just interested as i done something simiular this year

 

 

[retired]

i like to double up the birds but i find very little benefit to singling them up

[blackjack]

I train in 2s and 3s due to hawks and from any direction N,S,E or W because of my job and if i can get them singled i will . Why will most fanciers not train off line what the hell are they frightened off ?.

[Ed Bourque]

lets hear more on the training single birds, my first year here in Louisiana I will race old bird season in March, would love to hear more on single tosses.