WulDon Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 This year a couple of our old stock cocks have missed there first round eggs... okay they may fill second time around when weather is milder etc etc. Thought i would create a thread to get fanciers ideas on this matter and anything that they may have used that has been really effective on an old stager to get him 'sparking' again.
Andkar Lofts Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 try vitamin e....wheatgerm oil contains it & good for increasing fertility ,,,add to corn mix ...........
ch pied Posted January 25, 2008 Report Posted January 25, 2008 give him a good clipping around the backside , and as andkar say's , vit e , if their in with a lot of head case yearling's , they might be getting knocked off..all the best
W.D. Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 If your stock cocks could use speak they would be asking you to try doing it outside in this weather,esp in dundee?! Sunshine and warmth plus vit.E as the others said.Had we been on the continent however you could have taken them to a vet who would have injected them for you,my mate did this with 1 of his and got him to fill his eggs in dec.and took some for artificial insemination later,cost him mind you, but as he said he's not going to find 1 to replace him so easily.
Guest karl adams Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 i use ferti-vit and wheatgerm oil it works for my birds
carlsberg Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 wheatgerm oil is very good but also try keeping them away from your other birds for a few days while they tread
Guest racer Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 try a piece of viagra tablet m8 been told this works
homer Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 try a piece of viagra tablet m8 been told this works who ever told you that ,is talking utter nonsense and i would not advise anyone to give a racing pigeon viagra. viagra contains a drug that increases blood flow into a human man's "equipment" to enable him to "perform". it has NOTHING to do with fertility. viagra wont make a human male fertile and it certainly wont make an "old stock cock" racing pigeon fertile ??? In fact ,and i quote "New evidence suggests that the drug could impair your fertility." i hope you dont take this post personally RACER but i dont want to see any members doing something silly like pushing bits of viagra down their pigeons throats.
WulDon Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Posted January 26, 2008 ... thanks lads, at the moment using Vit.E via drinker once per week from Rohnfried and also Carrs on feed once per week. this stock section is full of more mature pigeons so i dont think i have a problem with younger pigeons ruining there chances. the point regarding an injection from vet, what would they be injected with? i have also heard that the 'female pill' or 'hormone replacement pill' could sometimes help? any thoughts??
ALF Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 ... thanks lads, at the moment using Vit.E via drinker once per week from Rohnfried and also Carrs on feed once per week. this stock section is full of more mature pigeons so i dont think i have a problem with younger pigeons ruining there chances. the point regarding an injection from vet, what would they be injected with? i have also heard that the 'female pill' or 'hormone replacement pill' could sometimes help? any thoughts?? CHORIONIC GONADOTROPHIN......THERE WAS A POST OVER ON PIGEON CHAT ABOUT INJECTING THIS PRODUCT INTO AN OLD COCK THAT HAD'NT FILLED HIS EGGS FOR 2 YEARS AND HE FILLED AFTER HE WAS GIVEN THIS
homer Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 ... thanks lads, at the moment using Vit.E via drinker once per week from Rohnfried and also Carrs on feed once per week. this stock section is full of more mature pigeons so i dont think i have a problem with younger pigeons ruining there chances. the point regarding an injection from vet, what would they be injected with? i have also heard that the 'female pill' or 'hormone replacement pill' could sometimes help? any thoughts?? yes ! my thoughts are DONT give racing pigeons the human contraceptive pill or HRT drugs. really dont see what relevance they have regarding fertility in racing pigeons ?? just stick to the wheatgerm oil .
Guest shadow Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 old pigeons will benifit from wheat germ oil ect but I found that past a certain age although they filled their eggs the Young birds were not as good off them as in previous years
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 CHORIONIC GONADOTROPHIN......THERE WAS A POST OVER ON PIGEON CHAT ABOUT INJECTING THIS PRODUCT INTO AN OLD COCK THAT HAD'NT FILLED HIS EGGS FOR 2 YEARS AND HE FILLED AFTER HE WAS GIVEN THIS THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THE HUMAN FORM, SO TAKE IT THE BIRD ONE MUST BE THE SAME PRICIPLES Chorionic Gonadotrophin How does it work? Human chorionic gonadotrophin is obtained from the urine of pregnant women. This medicine mimics the action of the pituitary hormone called luteinising hormone which controls the release of eggs from the ovary in women, and controls production of the male hormone, testosterone in men. It is used to stimulate egg release (ovulation)in some infertile women after follicle development has been stimulated with follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). In men it is used in the management of delayed puberty, undescended testes and oligospermia (low sperm count
DUBLINFLYER Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 u seem 2 no ur stuff without a doubt..... i never even heard of it, heard a rumor bout givin smarties (yup chocalate smarties)for 5 days dont no how true it is, maybe sum1 takin da p*ss : ;D ;D ;D ::)again only a rumor!!!!!!!!!
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted January 26, 2008 Report Posted January 26, 2008 u seem 2 no ur stuff without a doubt..... i never even heard of it, heard a rumor bout givin smarties (yup chocalate smarties)for 5 days dont no how true it is, maybe sum1 takin da p*ss : ;D ;D ;D ::)again only a rumor!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately I have never heard of it either, the article is from a page on the internet, a lot of posts on here are taken directly from the internet and copied and pasted on.,,have heard about giving smarties because of something in the blue coloured ones but like you dunno if it works or not .
WulDon Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Posted January 26, 2008 CHORIONIC GONADOTROPHIN......THERE WAS A POST OVER ON PIGEON CHAT ABOUT INJECTING THIS PRODUCT INTO AN OLD COCK THAT HAD'NT FILLED HIS EGGS FOR 2 YEARS AND HE FILLED AFTER HE WAS GIVEN THIS very interesting Tammy thanks, i maybe should have thought about this being an amatuer competitve bodybuilder. bodybuilders who administer sources of testosterone artifically via large muscle groups run the risk of natural testorone levels dropping or shutting down, sometimes long term damage is done and the chance of having family is ruined. therefore it is advised the substance 'chorionic gonadotrophin' is used to counter act (hopefully!) does anybody know anything regarding doses, timing etc or direct me to a post or site that details this. the human form comes in 1500.. 2500.. 5000iu generally taken subcutaneously, but could be taken intramuscular
WulDon Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Posted January 26, 2008 ... sorry it was Alf who posted first and Tammy contributed with some useful info, thanks both you anyway
WulDon Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Posted January 26, 2008 just had a nosey on pigeon chat, is it under the health section and what would it be headed under.. thanks
hicky Posted January 28, 2008 Report Posted January 28, 2008 after talking with a friend in holland on this subject he told me about parting the cock for six days every other day get a fresh pigeon egg that is from a young pair and suringe some down him then put him back with his hen am trying it myself at mo suposed to contain a high level of hormones hope this helps
NANCYVIEWLOFTS Posted January 28, 2008 Report Posted January 28, 2008 regarding an injection from the vet i am sure they give them an HORMONE injection first injection 2 weeks before pairing and a second injection the week they are paired BELGICA de WEERD have the injection they recommend waiting until it warms up then phone them up and tell them when you are going to pair up and they will then send the injection as they like it to be as fresh as possible pills and potions that just make them randy are a waste of money as most older birds are randy but are starting to fire blanks
Guest chrisss Posted January 28, 2008 Report Posted January 28, 2008 i have an very old stock bird [a son of stan the man aged 15] who filled his eggs once last year [but only one hatched out]aloe vera [from the health food shops] seems to help
frank-123 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Posted January 29, 2008 anybody bred winners out of very old birds what age and what did its offspring win?
jimmy white Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 i have bred winners out of old stock birds , but found out only certain ones ,,,and very few :)but in saying that i bred a bird from a 14 year old,, never been raced , but this bird has thrown good birds
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