E.T.S YES OR NO

[Pompey Mick]

If ETS is accepted by the RPRA, what Club computer programs are fully compatible with it, i.e. directly transferring the data from the clock to the computer. What race programs are used by Scottish clubs who use ETS?. I am asking because I am hoping to update my own Club's computer program next year and I want to ensure that it will be suitable in the event that ETS is accepted by the RPRA.

[Chris Little]

Expanding a bit on Square Peg's thoughts which are perfectly valid points. The SNFC intend to use ETS next season.

 

How will this work in terms of checking the pad seals before and after the race.

[square_peg]

ETS PASSED FOR USE BY SNFC FROM NOVEMBER 2006

STILL A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THOUGH

 

CHRIS'S POINT   RE PADS  THINK IT IS UP TO CLUB ORGANISING THE RACE THAT IS MENT TO CHECK PADS (I THINK) SO WILL SNFC DO THIS

 

 

SURELY SOME MEMBERS WHO HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY ARE USING IT CAN ANSWER      "DUPLICATION      POWER FAILURE "

 

NOT TRYING TO STIR THINGS JUST THAT WITH MORE GETTING ETS  I DONT WONT ANY QUESTIONS ASKED I CANT ANSWER

[Chris Little]

I beleive that those that already have ETS have their pads sealed before the first race and recorded by club officials then at the end of the campaign the seals are then checked.

 

Is this an accepted practise, if so will we expect to see SNFC officials going round all the ETS users lofts prior to national racing.

 

Just curious  :-/

[Henrik]

May be the case of getting a form signed by your club officials just as is done with vaccinations. Dont see any officials going round jagging birds do we.

[Guest]

I'd be interested to know how the pads are sea;led, we don't have to seal ours here, but they are inspected to make sure they come up to AU rules

[Guest Paulo]

how much does it cost pigeon racing is an expensive game as it is especially for young men like me. At the moment the club has a pool of clocks it got through awards for all if ETS came in these clocks would be obselete

[Henrik]

I'd be interested to know how the pads are sea;led, we don't have to seal ours here, but they are inspected to make sure they come up to AU rules

 

We use Clock seals to seal the pads and record the numbers. Federation officials can check these at any time throughout the season.

[Guest]

Tnanks

[collect500]

yes vote for me and stuff the price if its such a bad system why do the rpra use it themselves for their one loft race.also if they can use it so should everyone else be able to use it. the aurguments i have read on here saying it gives unfair advantage are in my opinion bull as all systems are unfair in some way to someone

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[Derbys Lad]

Having read this thread over the last day or so I can see that it raises passionate arguments about 'fairness' on both sides of the debate. Many of the points against ETS have been made regarding the speed with which a second bird can be clocked with ETS (i.e. in the same second) and that this is unfair on those without ETS.

 

My point is what about being fair to the second pigeon.

 

Many of us will have been in the situation where two birds have come together. However, when we get to the club, our birds have been split by someone else. The other persons bird was not as fast as ours becauses we have one in front. The difference was how long it took between timing the two pigeons in. How fair is that on the second bird? All that effort and robbed of the prize.

 

It is like saying that if a horse racing owner/trainer enters two horses into a race they must be seperated by 10 seconds to allow someone else a chance.

[Beanz]

Persanally I don't care one way or the other as I will still race my birds, but a lot of the pro ETS people are well off fanciers who can afford it and in my opinion are using the disabled as an excuse for their own benefit, another one is about handling the birds well I don't know about you lot but when my widowhood cock hits his box he is not bothered about me and is still cooing in my hand when I take the rubber off and in fact probably doesn't realise that I have even picked him up, one of the other questions what does not seem to be answered is If 1 member of a club buys ETS who buys the clubs part, do all the other members subsidise this fancier because he or she wants to use ETS, that is surely unfair, many small clubs and as we all know there are now many just could not afford to buy this. I know there are benefits from ETS but all these need to be brought into the open and discussed not bring it in by stealth which in my opinion is what some fanciers are trying to do and I am still waiting for Unikon to print a price with their adverts Bricon & Taurus have so why cant they or are they trying to hide something. I do beleive it needs sorting once and for all as it is dragging the sport down and causing countless arguments, it is time we had a vote once and for all with the decision being adhered to by all but you and I know it won't happen not yet anyway

[square_peg]

SO I GUESS "DUPLICATION    POWER FAILURE" IS STILL AN UKNOWN FOR ETS USERS THEN,     THINK THIS IS WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE A BIT WARY WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT OUT.

 

COME ON SOMEBODY THAT USES THE FORUM MUST USE ETS AND HAVE SOME INPUT ON THIS QUEERY

[Guest]

As far as power outs are concerned, you can purchase s small battery pack which will run your ets.

 

[Guest]

Due to work commitments with me and mydad and not knowing if we are going to be home on a sat etc, we are more than likley not going to be able to race next year. but if we could use ets we would stillbe able to. this is the bottom line, if ets was allowed maybe we wouldnt be losing so many members.

[johnny11]

The RPRA should run a referendum on this same subject to see how much of the fancy is for or against ETS. Why should the RPRA one loft race use ETS. Answer honestly how many people would enter the one loft race if it was timed manually. If 20 birds arrived together if using manual timing then it may not necessarily be the first bird into the loft that wins it would be the first caught.

 

If you are using the T3 and two or more birds arrive together you may not time the first bird in the loft but the one closest. So on the scenario is it fair to take a performance away from a bird IE 1st place just because you caught the bird nearest to you

[Roland]

Seen it in action, both abroad and here - when being tried out for the RPRA - and must admit it has very few if any downers... outside of the main one. People will leave the sport.

And don't give the crap that if they want to leave they will any way, for though that is true, that doesn't answer the realistic point that MANY WILL leave because of the ET.

See the burnt a loft down in ... Bet you unless you have round the clock guards your Et might not well work!

There are many reasons why they will leave, but the reality is NOT whether it is factual or not! by whether but how it is PRECIEVED to be! And many don't perceive it to fair, - which it isn't if you have one and I don't...

And don't talk about penalty clauses... they might (Doubtful) work for a season... but then the cry would be 'Why penalise me.... if they want one they can have one....

So the young man with a mortgage and two kids is struggling, so what, I did... yes but the club could or some one would lend you a clock. Now the young wife is already peed of with the cost so far... and he wants to spend... when the Kids, and the house, or there is so much more to pay ... Many more leaving ... or not starting.

I'd love one, but as I've yet I'd vote no, because every member is precious to us at the moment, so I still feel it isn't quite the time.

And John, whether the RPRA uses the ET or not, isn't going to keep our member or lose our members.

It is good that the RPRA uses one too, which I'll post why later.

[Chatrace]

ETS PASSED FOR USE BY SNFC FROM NOVEMBER 2006

STILL A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THOUGH

 

SURELY SOME MEMBERS WHO HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY ARE USING IT CAN ANSWER      "DUPLICATION      POWER FAILURE "

 

So far you can't clone a chip as a new code # is assigned to it for each race when scaned. and on my EXPRESS it holds a small 9V battery that lets me scan birds right on the face of the clock or you can get an adpter and have it run off a 12V car battery set up in the loft. The small one in the clock will work fine for 3 days

[Roland]

Why do I believe that the RPRA should have, and use it!

Well the way I see the sport going, and it will be upon sooner tan one thinks, is ‘Corporate One Loft Races’!

These will be run and governed by ‘Pigeon Folks’ of course.

Then the Race will also incorporate a satellite of Member clubs, which in turn will be the clubs and Federation Races.

Likewise … for instance now, al clubs should be in a Federation, then Amalgamation and then Combine and a NATIONAL every week.

These proposals are / will be beneficial and cost effective over the broad aspect.

Likewise Corporatism will / would incorporate point and league tables… likewise of course compete in BOTH Nationals and internationals.

And the quicker we get our heads out of the sand and get a PR firm the better!

[paul l]

isnt the point of racing gettin the bird in not walking over a pad some where on the loft, bad traps trying to get them in is all part of the game

Whats goin to be next sticking the pads all over the house roof so they dont even hit the loft and all they have to do is fly over and job done i think the excitment would be taken out of the sport with this ets system i might be wrong im new to sport and think the fun of it is 2 get bird in get rubber and off u go 2 next one ex ex

 

                 paul

[Chatrace]

The pads have to be 2/3 inside the loft entrance . The club has the right to seal them and check them at any time. It still requires the birds to enter the loft to be clocked if the rules are followed. Fault can be found with any clocking system,even the old wooden windups can be opened and times reset without breaking the seal. I few well cut dovetail joints in the side can let you take the whole side apart,seen it done and the average person would never see the joints.

[sj irving jnr]

will you use your normal clock as your backup to the ets??.

 

the only thing i have to ask is the shu say you cant put 2 rubbers in the same thimble but you can time 2 in the same time with the ets??

 

so will the shu scrap the same thimble rule??

[square_peg]

will you use your normal clock as your backup to the ets??.

 

the only thing i have to ask is the shu say you cant put 2 rubbers in the same thimble but you can time 2 in the same time with the ets??

 

so will the shu scrap the same thimble rule??

 

FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD THAT     ITS A VERY GOOD POINT

[THE FIFER]

I THINK THE MAIN REASON HYACINTH FOR SEALING PADS IS IN SCOTLAND THEY MUST BE IN THE LOFT, NOT OUTSIDE, IF NOT SEALED THEN U CAN PUT THEM ANYWHERE,

[jimmy white]

 

FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD THAT     ITS A VERY GOOD POINT

 

shu used to allow two rubbers in one thimble ,,,,why was this changed, i dont know