whose the sire??

[jimmy white]

put a stock hen [been treaded by a stock cock,,only a few times ] with a latebred cock,, to keep him happy ;D  hen laid in 5 days  ;D after latebred treading the hen,, one egg  fertile ,, whose the father,, [nearly said hows your father ;D ;D]???  

[OLDYELLOW]

you will be the daddy to one chick lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[HOMER49]

Hi

Which egg was fertile 1st or 2nd

Cheers

Homer 49

[jimmy white]

Hi

Which egg was fertile 1st or 2nd

Cheers

Homer 49

 

not egg sactly sure homer ;D,, [couldnt resist that ;D] no, not really sure homer,, but i see where you are comming from,, if the second egg?? could be the latebred cock,,  :-/,

[ribble]

The last cock to tread?

[thunderboult]

i'm not sure but i'll tell you about something i saw on a film at that arifical insemination centre(bifs) he gives a hen some sperm then when she's layed the first egg he gives her sperm from a diffrent cock and when the eggs hatch the second egg is off the new father's sperm he injected into her after laying the first egg(they use dna to prove it).  so to me this says as long as the hens been tread at least 2 days before laying the young cock could be the sire.    

[HOMER49]

 

not egg sactly sure homer ;D,, [couldnt resist that ;D] no, not really sure homer,, but i see where you are comming from,, if the second egg?? could be the latebred cock,,  :-/,

 

Hi

Correct 100%

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[jimmy white]

i'm not sure but i'll tell you about something i saw on a film at that arifical insemination centre(bifs) he gives a hen some sperm then when she's layed the first egg he gives her sperm from a diffrent cock and when the eggs hatch the second egg is off the new father's sperm he injected into her after laying the first egg(they use dna to prove it).  so to me this says as long as the hens been tread at least 2 days before laying the young cock could be the sire.    

 

very interesting , amazing  nowadays what they can do,, makes you wonder how things could be like  in  the future , but all going against nature  :-/  in my opinion both these posts could be  right,,,,,if this was the second egg and  fertile ,, treaded two days b4 laying by the latebred cock,, i should think the latebred cock possibly be  the sire,,  

[hotrod]

jimmy i can tell you that the egg is fertilized the day before laying FACT. If you send all your cocks on a friday night to a race and the hens have all laid one egg on the friday  and its a hold over, you  mark the first egg, THE SECOND EGG WILL BE CLEAR/NOT FERTILIZED. try it and you will see .

[Guest IB]

Raised a similar question last year with a grizzle in a nest from non-grizzle parents.

 

Just to add a 'bit of scandal and gossip' to Jimmy's question though. Hen pigeon has a special ability - she can store viable sperm for up to a week. She has special storage glands for that. If she has been with more than one cock (as mine was) any could be the father. As to fertilisation, the hen pigeon takes 42 hours from ovulation to laying her egg, for each egg. The ovum must be fertilised within half hour of ovulation, since it takes that time to move into the first part of the egg-making process, when the albumen (white of the egg) is added. It then passes down through other regions where the shell membranes are added and finally, last stage, lasting 20 hours the egg shell is added and allowed to dry before lay.

 

The missing bit I've not yet picked up is where / when the yolk is added to the ovum, or whether its there as part of the ovum in the ovary. Read somewhere that it comes from the liver, can't imagine how it gets from there to the 'egg works'.

 

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

 

Hi

Correct 100%

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

 

this comment is false as Sperm live inside the he upto 21 days after insemination. so your guess is a guess and guess who the sire is, the only way i think this can be determined is through an eye examination to trace genetic reading of the eye.

 

 

hope this helps

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

 

this comment is false as Sperm live inside the he upto 21 days after insemination. so your guess is a guess and guess who the sire is, the only way i think this can be determined is through an eye examination to trace genetic reading of the eye.

 

 

hope this helps

 

 

 

Wrong you can dna the cocks against the young birds  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

 

 

Wrong you can dna the cocks against the young birds  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

OY , I didnt think the obvious needed to be said.. but most look for a cheaper alternative, which exists, but still correct sir.

 

 

[gangster]

what would the costing be for dna testing any ideas??

[gangster]

i only ask the above as i seem to remember an incident a while back that an american guy was going 2 invest heavy in direct children off champions  but the un-named stud refused even though he was willing 2 pay himself....for testing that is..

[OLDYELLOW]

 

 

OY , I didnt think the obvious needed to be said.. but most look for a cheaper alternative, which exists, but still correct sir.

 

 

ok in the case of a bull - eyed pigeon who would be the father if your still right you can check from the eyes rember eyes take time to develop properly so i would say only way of determing any sire is to ensure the pair is in its own flyte till eggs laid    bull-eyed pigeons is a full colour eye you would find on a pied / grizzle or white , and doesnt show the eyes true full colour  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D what an IQ

[OLDYELLOW]

i only ask the above as i seem to remember an incident a while back that an american guy was going 2 invest heavy in direct children off champions  but the un-named stud refused even though he was willing 2 pay himself....for testing that is..

 

Had to explain Dna testing to a Busheart great many years ago he was a millionaire so right up his street ;-) but i have never had a dna test for any pigeons i either like them and buy them or dont so regardless of who's the daddy i follow the true line of herritage that of the hen she lays the eggs so as the saying goes mummys baby , daddys maybe ;-)

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

 

ok in the case of a bull - eyed pigeon who would be the father if your still right you can check from the eyes rember eyes take time to develop properly so i would say only way of determing any sire is to ensure the pair is in its own flyte till eggs laid    bull-eyed pigeons is a full colour eye you would find on a pied / grizzle or white , and doesnt show the eyes true full colour  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D what an IQ

 

 

maybe you know more than me, maybe you dont, glad you know what you know OY.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

 

maybe you know more than me, maybe you dont, glad you know what you know OY.

 

 

please tell me how you can dermine a ybs eye ? be a bulleye perhaps you dont know as much as you purport ?????

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

 

please tell me how you can dermine a ybs eye ? be a bulleye perhaps you dont know as much as you purport ?????

 

i do not need to explain what i know, thats my perogative, i respect your opinion.

 

thanks spencer

 

 

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

 

please tell me how you can dermine a ybs eye ? be a bulleye perhaps you dont know as much as you purport ?????

 

i do not need to explain what i know, thats my perogative, i respect your opinion.

 

thanks spencer

 

 

[Guest]

 

please tell me how you can dermine a ybs eye ? be a bulleye perhaps you dont know as much as you purport ?????

 

You cannot determine parentage by iris recognition, the iris is like your finger print unique. However within your own loft with experience you can be right the vast majority of the time by knowing the traits of your birds IF you have a family but even then you can easily be thrown when the recessive genes decided to come out to play.

DNA I'm led to believe is the only true way even that has a fail rate of 1 in so many million (?). I have no real knowledge on this but I thought that when testing paternity say for two brothers who didn't know which was the father, DNA has a problem not sure if that's a myth or whether I saw it on some documentary.

[Guest]

If it was me i'd race it, if you loose it then does it matter and if it wins its a bonus whatever the father was!!

[OLDYELLOW]

 

i do not need to explain what i know, thats my perogative, i respect your opinion.

 

thanks spencer

 

 

i take that you aint got a clue , when does the young birds eye change in colour ? the eye continuly changes in a full colour eye a yearlings eye can get better as say a 4 year old but if took two pictures one as yealing one as 4 year old of same eye they'd be different , spouting half baked facts thats your perogative been more factual is mine ;-)

[OLDYELLOW]

 

You cannot determine parentage by iris recognition, the iris is like your finger print unique. However within your own loft with experience you can be right the vast majority of the time by knowing the traits of your birds IF you have a family but even then you can easily be thrown when the recessive genes decided to come out to play.

DNA I'm led to believe is the only true way even that has a fail rate of 1 in so many million (?). I have no real knowledge on this but I thought that when testing paternity say for two brothers who didn't know which was the father, DNA has a problem not sure if that's a myth or whether I saw it on some documentary.

 

theres sibbling test out now as Dna testing has somewhat come on leaps and bounds , so it still is possible ;-)