correct weight

[Guest KING BILLY]

tam got that fat of a ass i had to sit on his knee no room left on the seat for me to sit .

now now boney lad keep it clean and on topic   ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest KING BILLY]

am of now boys so do behave till next time chears TAM ;D ;D ;D

[BLACK W F]

tam they say life begins at 40 is that right ha ha ha i still in my peak  weight   for my 6ft 4  inch frame    if life begins again at 40  i had agreat one so far cant wait to get to tams age cant be any better surely ha ha ha leave  them trifles and pies alone take up jogging pretend your on sport relief    and next time robbie say i aint paying full fare when tams got half my seat ha ha ha  

[Guest IB]

 

And did you learn anything Ian? did it do any good?  :-/

 

 

This is only my first year distance records, Pete, but yes, very surprising. Big surprise for me was that all the birds lost roughly same bodyweight, 75g or roughly 2 oz. no matter how far they flew or for how long. Wouldn’t have known any of them were at a race, including the bird from Alencon which was out for a week.   Figures are shown below..

 

 

what did they weigh in at?

In english please not grammes!

 

Pigeons on average weigh between 300 and 600 grams, 10oz and 21oz. The reason I chose grams, is that it is a more precise measurement than just pounds & ounces, as 37 grams = 1 oz. You’ll see that difference below.

 

Alencon 547 miles. 2-yo cock sent feeding 8 day old youngster. Liberated 0730 Saturday 27/6 in variable wind. Bird was out for a week, arrived home following Saturday morning. Sent weighing 470g (16oz) and weighed on Sunday morning at 391g (13 ¾ oz). Still holding body.

 

Ypres 449m . Yearling cock sent sitting eggs. Flew 11h17m in light west wind. Sent weighing 504g (18oz) and weighed on Sunday morning at 430g. (15oz)

 

Falaise 518m. 2 x 2-yo hens sent sitting eggs. Liberated 0600 Saturday 18/7 in west wind. Timed 1520 & 1700 on Sunday 19/7. Both hens weighed on Monday. 1st hen sent weighing 495g (17oz) weighed 421g (15oz); 2nd hen sent weighing 479g (17oz) weighed 404g (14oz).

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Roland]

whate is the correct weight for a racing pigeon and dus any one pay attention to this when raceing ;) ;)this must be a doo thats ready for the job ones the tranings been dun

 

Due to size and build of course. But a pigeon can only be fit at a certain weight that tally's with it's mental fitness. Either one out and it won't be 100%. They have, like all athletes, a Fighting weight which only arrives when the Mental fitness comes. So both are needed.

[pjc]

between 10 and 21oz!

If I was basketing and put the 1st bird in weighing 21oz and the next was half its weight, it wouldn't be going as I would feel it wasn't in the right condition to race.

[OLDYELLOW]

 

This is only my first year distance records, Pete, but yes, very surprising. Big surprise for me was that all the birds lost roughly same bodyweight, 75g or roughly 2 oz. no matter how far they flew or for how long. Wouldn’t have known any of them were at a race, including the bird from Alencon which was out for a week.   Figures are shown below..

 

 

 

Pigeons on average weigh between 300 and 600 grams, 10oz and 21oz. The reason I chose grams, is that it is a more precise measurement than just pounds & ounces, as 37 grams = 1 oz. You’ll see that difference below.

 

Alencon 547 miles. 2-yo cock sent feeding 8 day old youngster. Liberated 0730 Saturday 27/6 in variable wind. Bird was out for a week, arrived home following Saturday morning. Sent weighing 470g (16oz) and weighed on Sunday morning at 391g (13 ¾ oz). Still holding body.

 

Ypres 449m . Yearling cock sent sitting eggs. Flew 11h17m in light west wind. Sent weighing 504g (18oz) and weighed on Sunday morning at 430g. (15oz)

 

Falaise 518m. 2 x 2-yo hens sent sitting eggs. Liberated 0600 Saturday 18/7 in west wind. Timed 1520 & 1700 on Sunday 19/7. Both hens weighed on Monday. 1st hen sent weighing 495g (17oz) weighed 421g (15oz); 2nd hen sent weighing 479g (17oz) weighed 404g (14oz).

 

 

 

 

 

 

good debate , but each bird / strain will be different , and weight can be fat or muscle , feeding controls weight and exercise creates muscle it's getting the ballance right   you cant put fitness on a unhealthy bird  

[Roland]

Ole Yellow says

good debate , but each bird / strain will be different , and weight can be fat or muscle , feeding controls weight and exercise creates muscle it's getting the ballance right   you cant put fitness on a unhealthy bird  

 

Now that is the simple truth.

[chickadee]

Marathon runners are always very lean i.e no excess weight to carry so I suppose distance to cover will also dictate ideal weight (reserves) to carry?

 

 

Yes but they stock up on carbohydrates before a race and they are only good runners if they are conditioned or naturally able to turn that into energy. Marathon runners don't have huge muscle definition like sprinters as they could not fuel them for 26 miles. Sprinters are generally only good at short bursts and need all their muscles fueled very quickly

[Guest frank dooman]

whate is the correct weight for a racing pigeon and dus any one pay attention to this when raceing ;) ;)this must be a doo thats ready for the job ones the tranings been dun

 

i like to see someone thinking outside the box stuff like this is PURE!!!! dedication i dont know you but i would think you are at least quite sucessfull this kind of stuff is going too far for me but hats off to you i hope you perfect your theory and if you do please feel free to pm me with the winning results

[Guest IB]

Yes but they stock up on carbohydrates before a race and they are only good runners if they are conditioned or naturally able to turn that into energy. Marathon runners don't have huge muscle definition like sprinters as they could not fuel them for 26 miles. Sprinters are generally only good at short bursts and need all their muscles fueled very quickly

 

Even an armchair athlete like myself can see the truth in your post. 'Bolt' built like a bus, explosive speed over the short course; 'Paula Radcliffe', skin & bone, perfect at / for the marathon.

 

But having said that, the opposite appears true for racing pigeons. Your post made me recall two seperate conversations with Club mates: one that flies well out to the coast, felt that 'widowhood cocks shouldn't have body' (weight)  while the other was preparing for the channel and 'try as he might couldn't get weight on them'.

 

So agree, competitive field must have a bearing too on type of pigeon and its preparation.

 

 

[blaz]

i have seen good sprint birds and distance birds both built like wee cock sparrow and big garth.rab ritchie in my club does well at the distance all his birds are big.i have 2 birds both bread for distance one wee one big. :-/

[chickadee]

 

Even an armchair athlete like myself can see the truth in your post. 'Bolt' built like a bus, explosive speed over the short course; 'Paula Radcliffe', skin & bone, perfect at / for the marathon.

 

But having said that, the opposite appears true for racing pigeons. Your post made me recall two separate conversations with Club mates: one that flies well out to the coast, felt that 'widowhood cocks shouldn't have body' (weight)  while the other was preparing for the channel and 'try as he might couldn't get weight on them'.

 

So agree, competitive field must have a bearing too on type of pigeon and its preparation.

 

 

That's the difference me and my husband were both true athelites ;D ;D ;D

 

There must be something in it as fanciers post that they are from either sprint, middle or distance lines. Not only muscle mass and ability to turn fuel into energy but feeding the body with oxygen efficiently is also a factor along with many others like diet, motivation, training and inherant genes etc that makes a champion in any sport. But there are always the acceptions to these rules that will win on the day despite all the theories :-/

[Roland]

Well some advocated, and it became popular even with making slings / hamocks to weight their' birds.

Now in August 2005 a Belgium fancier(s) - and including a world renowned stud, published the statistic of most National winners.

Very quickly it became apparent that all birds at whatever distance came in all wieght shapes and sizes.

I will have to ask about and find out whether it is available over here yet and in English.

[Guest IB]

Following on logically (I hope) : if we are saying sprinters and long distance pigeons are physically & mentally equipped for different jobs; is it possible to win 60 - 600 miles with one type? If so, how would you do it?

[mosslands1]

ib  did you weigh your birds with a full crop of feed before and after the races

[Roland]

Of course, several have. Natrix for example won at 50 miles and Massieles for Jim Biss and he'd finish the season off with another 50 mile win. Like many of his and others birds have and do.

[Guest Freebird]

Great thread this. If it was as easy as wieghing a bird before a race then I think you would all be winning and that is the beauty of pigeon racing, it is not a simple matter of do this then that and this will happen. I'm not knocking this way of thinking but there are so many factors involved that it still comes down to the fancier knowing his birds "condition" and when to send. Then the rest is out of his hands so to speak i.e. holdovers, weather, clashes, percy, bla bla bla. Some good thoughts and ideas coming out here though and keep them coming.

[Guest IB]

ib  did you weigh your birds with a full crop of feed before and after the races

 

No, never on full crop. Birds don't travel well to marking, so usually fed a light mix of barley & brown rice 2/3 hours before basketing. Weighed just before basketing. On return, weighed on day after they homed from race, when they were still on small, fairly frequent feeds.

[jimmy white]

i remember the great mr and mrs white [no relation]   same club though,  :)had    many top national races positions ,racing the" spratt" "the  trellis" etc [sold  to newcombe]

 

jock used to weigh his pigeons b4 and after a race , for many reasons!!,,, one was for sending a bird that had scored out of a 500+ miles race, the same weight as when it scored b4 ,, it worked for him lol

[Guest KING BILLY]

Following on logically (I hope) : if we are saying sprinters and long distance pigeons are physically & mentally equipped for different jobs; is it possible to win 60 - 600 miles with one type? If so, how would you do it?

it has been dun regular in my club if the so caled doo has been set up for the race first eggs of the year for the hens or the cock fedding big young one or both on widowhod or round about just get them motafated enouth but it has to be the distance doo becaus the time coms for the 600mls the sprinter has not got it in it to repete ;) ;)

 

 

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

personally this the first time i have ever heard of anyone weighing birds to race  

fascinating thread tell me more

what would be the correct weight for sending birds say 400 miles

anyone ??????????    (shrug)(shrug)(shrug)

[Guest KING BILLY]

the same weight as sending  them to eny race 16 to 17 oz but they have to be prpared to that weight to get to the thermals of the sky for longer distance

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

the same weight as sending  them to eny race 16 to 17 oz but they have to be prpared to that weight to get to the thermals of the sky for longer distance

 

many thanks will have to look further into this matter as i said fasicinating thread .

 

thanks bryan

[Ian McKay]

 

many thanks will have to look further into this matter as i said fasicinating thread .

 

thanks bryan

 

Just think about it Bryan look what you could be if you weighed youself ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D