THE FIFER Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 RPRA AND THE SHU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE SAYING IF SHOWS ETC ARE BANNED
showman Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 To a point I agree with what you say Fifer. Our governing bodies are often slow to react in such instances. However, when a 'ban' like this is enforced by a 'higher' power, they too must wait and see. The problem, as I see it, is that since the EU issued its' ruling, there has been a time delay in domestic legislation / ruling coming into force which allowed a lot of unsure comments to be made. Hopefully this should be clearer from Monday 31st, as it appears English & Scottish authorities were to have legislation in place from Friday past. Early talk of licenses for shows hasn't really helped either, and hopefully this 'grey area' will be cleared up at the start of the week. It's been a really frustrating time, with everyone being stuck 'between a rock and a hard place', not knowing the exact details of any domestic ruling. We can only wait my friend and see what tomorrow brings !! Sincerely Paul.
speedbird Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 lets hope the ban is lifted on the 31st the way we are going there wont even be any racing next year!!!! we havnt even got it in our country apart from those parrots which ere imported. look at the problems if they exstend the ban what about those members who breed in dec what about in they do cxl racing bred all those yb with no races & no room for them for the year after what is to come of them??? its gonna be the spring when those migrating birds come back when i think the problems realy gonna kick off
Guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 I think you raise a fair point, Speedbird. I don't think it sensible to speculate, but it would be sensible to have some sort of plan which errs on the side of caution. With regard to planned numbers of 2006 youngsters, I've 30 rings ordered but I now intend to delay my breeding by a couple of weeks (March / mid-March), and be ultra selective in what I breed from. Don't expect to breed anywhere near 30 either..as you point out, if there's a problem with early racing, where do I put all these birds? And again, if our race season is concertina'd, maybe time to put all prejudices aside and try and get the most out of it, including any-ages races. It would be good to try it just to see if it does make a difference in young bird losses. I also think the Dunoon Show decision was a very wise one, especially keeping the social side of this annual event 'alive and kicking'. I hope that the committee follow it up with a general press release of the reasons for their decision as I'm sure that once these are widely publicised, you will be shown in a good light and it will help win over the general public.
THE FIFER Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 GOOD COMMENT SHOWMAN, BUT AS WELL ASfanciers being put in the picture i think the general public must be made wise, as they are just going by press reading which is puting all birds a threat, THE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FERAL AND HOMING PIGEONS
jimmy white Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 going back to one of my earlier posts, about the press being told the truth, i stick to that THEN, but now we have dissaray with shows going on , [under certain conditions]shows not going on, sales going on ,,,sales not going on, were now giving the press amunition for blaming pigeons, and they will.AND YET PIGEONS ARE THE LEAST LIKLIEST HOSTS OF THIS VIRUS,, THE PUBLIC SHOULD GET TO KNOW THAT,,,,,,FROM SOMEWHERE???
Guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 Well I think it's up to all the Unions to join forces and issue a joint press release
Guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 I'm very wary of anything going into the press about pigeons and avian flu just now, especially a joint statement of the type Hyacinth is looking for. For a start I don't think the basic knowledge is there...clueless might be an apt discription...witness for example Peter Bryant's statement on what avian flu can and can't do with pigeons... and tells pigeon people exactly what they want to hear even if nothing could be further from the truth - Avian flu? FADME !!!! FADME means "F* all to do with me". Is that the kind of message we want to be putting across to reassure the public? Even if there wasn't the remotest possibility of pigeons picking up the virus, the present state of public alarm requires that any statement must show that we are aware of the problem, sensitive to the public need for reassurance, and that we are reponding to that need by being extra careful to make sure our birds and ourselves are safe from the virus and pose no threat at all to others. And that of course poses more problems - if the Unions are saying certain precautions are being taken, and neighbours see that they are not.............
speedbird Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 some of the general public are very ignorant yesterday i was in the local working mens club & one bloke shouted to me you been working today as i was weiring my loft jacket coverd in paint ect as been painting. i said no been down with the pigeons he then said thats a shame about pigeon flu!! i soon put him right!! thats ok bruno having any age races ect the year after if we can let the ybs out what good will they be if you cant let em out till a year old your idea will be ok if we can let em out & maybe even train
THE FIFER Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 latest update for scottish fanciers re ban on shows etc, from the scottish exetutive is on pigeon basics news itams.
showman Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 Totally agree with your postings Fifer , Hyacinth and Bruno re - public awareness. Now here is something our governing bodies should grasp and take to the media. Unfortunately, I doubt if it will happen. It would be nice if a joint press release could be issued by 'our' leaders and would surely let the public know we are not irresponsible. I live in hope !! Paul C. P.S. Anyone fancy coming up to Dunoon for a bit of 'craic' and good company please get in touch with Doostalker. Old faces or new.....you'll all be welcome ;D
Guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Posted October 30, 2005 Sorry Bruno But I think ignorance in the general populous can only work against us.
preston powerblast Posted October 31, 2005 Report Posted October 31, 2005 Ther are lot of theories doing the round now. But like Bruno says you cant believe all you read. http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/rumsfeld_to_profit_from_avian_flu_hoax.htm#
Guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Posted October 31, 2005 Within P/Powerblast's article there is an article on Avian Flu (from a human perspective) taken from the British Medical Journal. The intro talks about recent media attention causing confusion amongst the general public. I have to agree with that. http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/331/7523/975
Guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Posted October 31, 2005 The World Health Organisation has published a timeline of the 'current' outbreak. It is a summary record of all animal & human H5N1 events between 1996 and October 2005, and also short paragraph summaries of research work. Gives a good 'feel' for and overview of developments. http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/Timeline_28_10a.pdf
cheq pied Posted October 31, 2005 Report Posted October 31, 2005 an application form is available on the defra wedsite for a show licence. i WILL NOT allow pigeons to be be shown.only budgies canaries, finches etc.
preston powerblast Posted October 31, 2005 Report Posted October 31, 2005 Sent Defra an email last week to get some some info how myself and my employees stand with the avian influenza. this was their reply. Good afternoon The risk remains low that we will experience and outbreak of HPAI (Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza virus) in the near future. You can find information on biosafety in the workplace on the Health and Safety Executive website on the following link: http://www.hse.gov.uk/biosafety/information.htm You can also find some information on human health relating to Avian Influenza on the Defra and Health Protection websites: http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/disease/ai/index.htm http://www.hpa.org.uk/infections/topics_az/avianinfluenza/menu.htm I am unaware of any courses available regarding biosafety. I would recommend contacting the HSE to find out if they have any information on this matter. Regards Beth Wagg
jimmy white Posted October 31, 2005 Report Posted October 31, 2005 e mail from my brother today, [canary keeper] the u.k. parrot society gave interveiw to the SUN newspaper ,today. when asked, the budgierigar society, said they would only talk to the mirror.
Guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Posted October 31, 2005 Apologies to Cheq Pied for checking out what DEFRA Q&A says about shows:- Q4. What can be licensed? A. After consultation with stakeholders it has been agreed that we are only currently licensing low risk events. This means the gathering can only consist of budgerigars, canaries, zebra finches, Bengalese finches and birds classed by fanciers as “British” birds (i.e. captive bred birds of species native to the British Isles, not including pigeons, poultry and waterfowl). Now you'll notice stakeholders were consulted - in other words our masters, the Unions. These things just don't happen overnight either. There was pre-warning of what was likely to happen - and when. Methinks we the general fancy have been duped and much of the confusion over the last 4/5 days appears to lie at our Unions' doors, and not the governments' as some led us to believe. The sting in the tail is that there is no time limit on the legislation which brought the ban in - it could apply indefinitely, and that would (eventually) affect training and racing.
PIGEON_MAN Posted November 1, 2005 Report Posted November 1, 2005 KNOWING HOW OUR FREINDS ????? THE FRENCH USUALLY RESPOND TO THINGS LIKE THIS CAN ANYONE SEE THAT WE HAVE ANY CHANCE AT ALL OF FLYING FROM THERE IN 2006.
Guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Posted November 1, 2005 As I said earlier, Pigeon_man, its a two-edged sword. If France or any nearby mainland Europe country is experiencing problems with avian flu outbreaks (amongst wild birds) do WE really want to be racing from there?
jimmy white Posted November 1, 2005 Report Posted November 1, 2005 im sorry bruno, i have to agree with hyacinth, the ignorance of the public are working against us now,,,,,,will it get worse ,, watch panorama on sunday evening, i only hope it can enlighten the public,, i hope,so im glad you put that one right speedbird, but it just goes to show what joe public is like, and hes not the only one that have had remarks like that,...ALLREADY.
THE FIFER Posted November 1, 2005 Report Posted November 1, 2005 THIS PANORAMA COMING ON TV NEXT WEEK SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE FROM RPRA AND SHU IN THE AUDIENCE SURELY
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