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[Guest numpty01]

deffra dont like dictateing to peaple with money it cause.s problems and if they order cull who pays for birds ???us?????

[Craig05]

I had same problem with my ybs in March.  bought two in and ended up losing my whole team.  thanks to some top guys on here and another pigeon web site i have been gifted and bought in enough new ybs to have a go at my first season.  it is soul destroying when there is not much you can do about it.  the stud did replace on of the birds though and i kept the replacment far away from my other firds for 2 weeks.  they are all looking healthy now and training very well.  wish you all the best mate

[peterpau]

I had same problem with my ybs in March.  bought two in and ended up losing my whole team.  thanks to some top guys on here and another pigeon web site i have been gifted and bought in enough new ybs to have a go at my first season.  it is soul destroying when there is not much you can do about it.  the stud did replace on of the birds though and i kept the replacment far away from my other firds for 2 weeks.  they are all looking healthy now and training very well.  wish you all the best mate

 

Nice to know things are going better for you now. This stud has had problems this year. How ever I personaly think they have been a great service to the fancy over the years.

Love em or loathe em if they had been rubbish they wouldn't have been around so long.

 

[thunderboult]

touch wood, i've never had a problem with birds from them but i have'nt had yb's from since 2004.  but i know a member of my club who bought 2 from there this year(the only 2 young birds he brought in) and he started having problems as soon as they arrived.

[Guest dogeon]

With the cases reported to DEFRA surely they should be investigating the stud and taking test etc or is it another case of money talks?

 

and so another year they dont get investigated

this was last year on here

paulrstokes Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 12:02  Quote  Report to Moderator

 

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Posts: 183 Be wary, i overheard someone sunday saying they had bought a kit of six from Louella and within 2 days his whole YB team was infected with a nonovirus whatever that is 9 dead.

I have bnought stock bird Jan ardens and they were fine.

 

 

[big blue bar]

i posted yesteday about picking up pmv from this stud this year .I bought ybirds last year and had no problems with them. The reason i bought this years birds was because last years did well for me scoring two first club with two off the birds they were janssens this years problem birds were jan ardens .Anyway defra won t invetigate them unless they report it themselves like sombody said money talks could you imagine how much the stud would lose if they came clean . i ve seen close hand what it dose to a team of 40 birds how many birds will they have in there lofts

[mark]

 

Partly i agree, they have made birds available at affordable prices but do not put anything back into the sport.

They have done nothing but profit from fanciers from years and will be cause of there own demise.

 

very true.

[Guest Denny]

When looking for Ybs for my loft I had considered getting them from this stud, but due to reading various posts about this local stud, and also speaking to people at the local pigeon suppliers, I was put off well and truely.

 

Excuse me for being 'blonde' and having a dizzy moment, but if this stud has repeated problems not only last year, but seemingly again this year and it is made known on the forum, why are people still buying the stock and running the risk of infecting their whole team with the introduction of the new birds?

[Guest]

When looking for Ybs for my loft I had considered getting them from this stud, but due to reading various posts about this local stud, and also speaking to people at the local pigeon suppliers, I was put off well and truely.

 

Excuse me for being 'blonde' and having a dizzy moment, but if this stud has repeated problems not only last year, but seemingly again this year and it is made known on the forum, why are people still buying the stock and running the risk of infecting their whole team with the introduction of the new birds?

 

I doubt very much they have not been visited by DEFRA and I suspect there would be regular visits, if the suspected source was LLouella. There may be another explanation, Louella pigeons do not make contact with birds that have regular contact with birds that carry various bugs etc, i.e. our birds travel in baskets with many other fanciers and often come into contact with 'diseased' birds and  build up natural immunity.

The problem with Louella birds is that they do not have such immunity, they are probably kept'healthy' by the use of vaccination and medicines.

However when they get in to the outside world and make contact with our birds they quickly pick up bugs they cannot comntend with.

By the way vaccination does not gaurantee that your birds can not catch PMV, some will still catch it.

Don't get me wrong it MAY be that Louella is negligent, but they are such an easy target to hit and my instincts are that that's not fair.

[Guest]

just got bad news today y/birds caught pmv think it came from birds brought in from stud in england bought 6 and 3 came down with virus even thou they say there vaccinated anybody else had problems from this stud there based in leister

YES MANY HAVE

 

 

[valteng]

 

The reason that birds contract the disease is because young birds are not vaccinated as a matter of course, but ONLY vaccinated on the day they leave the stud. Hence they may be carrying the virus and are not immune. It takes 4 weeks to obtain protective immunity, the initial vaccination should preferably take place at 6 weeks before being entered in races or exhibitions, and before pairing up. A single vaccination will provide protection for one year and an annual booster vaccination is recommended.

A good immune response is reliant on the reaction of an immunogenic agent and a fully competent immune system. Immunogenicity of the vaccine antigen will be reduced by poor storage or inappropriate administration. Immunocompetence of the animal may be compromised by a variety of factors including poor health, nutritional status, genetic factors, concurrent drug therapy and stress. Under certain conditions, for example extreme disease pressure and variant challenge, fully immune birds may succumb to disease. Therefore, successful vaccination may not be synonymous with full protection in the face of a disease challenge.

So because birds are vaccinated against PMV it does not necessarily mean that the birds have full immunity.

 

well said ^^

[Guest strapper]

this stud isnt the only place where this horrible disease is striking.....there are many reports last year of it and also this year too....fast growing problem and i believe its partly to do with fanciers believing that the vaccination breaks down their birds immunity each year so dont vaccinate for it.

foolishly or not this is what is happening.

my yb/s were done ages a go but like albear said you can still get it but like all vaccinations that humans have..it wont be as bad as if you didnt vaccinate for it.

i regularly do some club members birds for them which dont take long if you know what your doing, and for what it costs...is it really worth the risk not vaccinating?

[Guest]

this stud isnt the only place where this horrible disease is striking.....there are many reports last year of it and also this year too....fast growing problem and i believe its partly to do with fanciers believing that the vaccination breaks down their birds immunity each year so dont vaccinate for it.

foolishly or not this is what is happening.

my yb/s were done ages a go but like albear said you can still get it but like all vaccinations that humans have..it wont be as bad as if you didnt vaccinate for it.

i regularly do some club members birds for them which dont take long if you know what your doing, and for what it costs...is it really worth the risk not vaccinating?

 

Paul, I think you are right and in a past discussion, I pointed out, that many do not vaccinate their stock birds, the immunity you build up through generations needs to start with parents. When the yb are weaned and the parents have not the anti bodies to pass on through their system, you have vulnerable yb. I know some who do not vaccinate any of their race birds until July, that way they only have one vaccination process a year. They work on the proinciple that there is immunity for 12 month, so old and young won't require vaccinating until the end of the next OB race season.

There are many that do not beleive in vaccination, the same people perhaps that put their children at risk by refusing the MMR jab. There is adequate proof that vaccination /immunity programs work. Those of my generation and older will remember Polio and thank goodness the vaccination process helped prctically eradicate it.

[REDROCKET]

just got bad news today y/birds caught pmv think it came from birds brought in from stud in england bought 6 and 3 came down with virus even thou they say there vaccinated anybody else had problems from this stud there based in leister

 

sorry to here this bad news the best of luck to you.

[Novice]

I am of the opinion that couriers may now hold pigeons overnight in holding pens.

This communal facility and a protracted journey can only accelerate the spread of disease.

[REDROCKET]

anybody buying birds in from these breeding centres should keep them seperated from there own birds for at least a couple of weeks just incase this type of thing happens personally i wouldnt buy from any of them there's plenty of good doo men on here that you can offer to buy birds from thats my thoughts on this sad situation.

[Guest strapper]

anybody buying birds in from these breeding centres should keep them seperated from there own birds for at least a couple of weeks just incase this type of thing happens personally i wouldnt buy from any of them there's plenty of good doo men on here that you can offer to buy birds from thats my thoughts on this sad situation.

 

 

i think your right in some aspects although louella offers good quality and cheap prices which is a major factor when fanciers havent the money to spend on top fanciers birds.

 

 

[REDROCKET]

its mainly them that i wouldnt buy from i have my own reasons