Chlamydia

[Elvan Willgrass]

Has anyone got shots of chlamydia if that is how it is spelt. I think they are like the the canker but a lot more mobile.

[Guest IB]

Think its maybe the protozoan flagellate hexamita in the gut you are thinking about? Chlamydophila is a bacterial respiratory disease.

[Elvan Willgrass]

You could be right, I have had a microscope for more than twelve years but I believe and maybe I am wrong that only the basics like coci, canker and worms can be found with the type of microscope on sale to pigeon people. This time I had a detailed check of my birds done by a vet as I had 70% of the birds with very good droppings and the rest with very loose droppings with all birds  housed together and with all types of feed. The test is not yet complete although no coci, worms or canker but they do have chlamydia and I'm told this will course loose droppings. So I was at Blackpool show and spoke to the Brunel people  and was told I should detect it with the gear I have as it looks like the cancer thing but more mobile so it could be what you say and in the gut but hexamita was never mentioned. The test still has to check for salmonella etc. so next time I speak to the vets I will ask if it is in the droppings.  

[Guest strapper]

years a go i had youngbirds with hexamita not all ,they(vets) swabbed the throat nothing then they swabbed the rear...thats where they found it.

i think i treated it with canker tabs from the vet...or..it may have been emtryl.

 

[greenlands]

years a go i had youngbirds with hexamita not all ,they(vets) swabbed the throat nothing then they swabbed the rear...thats where they found it.

i think i treated it with canker tabs from the vet...or..it may have been emtryl.

 

Hi Paul, a few years back I use to visit a a good friend of mine called Raymond Imgrham (only 3 mile away),a good pigeon man but better with the microscope.He had a cracking set up aswell as the coffe and biscuits,he done swabs, cultures and dropping tests etc.His opinion on hexamita  was to use a liquid canker treatment rather than tablets.Gary Spavin took his business over when Raymond moved down Country.A big loss to the bird men around here because he done all types of birds.

Lindsay

 

[wilkins]

with clamydia had it with the birds  3 years back had to use doxy for 28 days then on to baytryl on vets advice lost 5 birds to it , had birds re tested and hen again re tested and still come back positive, stopped racing when the vet told me i had it, did not race for 1 year as i was unsure of the spread culled 10 more birds , after 10 months test come back clear from the remainder left, i used 7 days of bleach then after couple of days of plain water  3 weeks of mild cider vin , repeated this for 3 months , i couldnt shift it but it seemed to run its course and the birds with the better immune system came out ok but they are not always the best prizewinners,

i do feel i had over the 2 years before over treated my birds and played about with the immune system,since i restarted with the birds they had held there own once i started treating weekly they never improved that much to what they had before, i am now following gary Inkleys method and the birds have never looked better

[Elvan Willgrass]

That has cheered me up wilkins, the birds are nothing like dying in fact all look in top form eating well, not drinking to much and if anything a bit to fat. I had this problem last season but the birds still flew the distance I had the only ones back in the club, third fed and well up in the Amal from 580 plus but I must say my known better birds all have good droppings and again maybe they have the better immunity. I have never treated the birds for anything but worms and young bird sickness for years, I have seen coci and canker present in them but never give them treatment as it never looked bad and the next time I would check them it would be all different.  

[Guest strapper]

 

Hi Paul, a few years back I use to visit a a good friend of mine called Raymond Imgrham (only 3 mile away),a good pigeon man but better with the microscope.He had a cracking set up aswell as the coffe and biscuits,he done swabs, cultures and dropping tests etc.His opinion on hexamita  was to use a liquid canker treatment rather than tablets.Gary Spavin took his business over when Raymond moved down Country.A big loss to the bird men around here because he done all types of birds.

Lindsay

 

yes lindsay m8..maybe it was emtryl then.

[dwh]

years a go i had youngbirds with hexamita not all ,they(vets) swabbed the throat nothing then they swabbed the rear...thats where they found it.

i think i treated it with canker tabs from the vet...or..it may have been emtryl.

 

3 year ago we had ybs  with hex we were told treat with nyfuramycin then a canker treatment certainly cleared it up

[Guest IB]

I think trichomonads and hexamita are usually found in seperate parts; trich head / throat / crop, and hexamita in all of the gut beyond the gizzard. You do a throat swab / crop wash for trich, and a droppings test for hexamita. Any droppings tests I've had have always been clear, and any swab test showed trich to be background levels only, so I have never had to treat for either. They are both protozoans, so using a canker treatment for hexamita as others suggest sounds right to me.

[dwh]

I think trichomonads and hexamita are usually found in seperate parts; trich head / throat / crop, and hexamita in all of the gut beyond the gizzard. You do a throat swab / crop wash for trich, and a droppings test for hexamita. Any droppings tests I've had have always been clear, and any swab test showed trich to be background levels only, so I have never had to treat for either. They are both protozoans, so using a canker treatment for hexamita as others suggest sounds right to me.

 

IB would treating with nyfuramycin be just excessive we had our birds tested by avery good fancier  and is very good with a microscope?

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

IB would treating with nyfuramycin be just excessive we had our birds tested by avery good fancier  and is very good with a microscope?

 

it is a bit excessive - for hexamitiasis - you need to treat (with canker treatment) for atleast 8 days though

[mickf]

years a go i had youngbirds with hexamita not all ,they(vets) swabbed the throat nothing then they swabbed the rear...thats where they found it.

i think i treated it with canker tabs from the vet...or..it may have been emtryl.

 

correct strapper you do find it in the back end,diametrodonazole will shift this after 3 days,but some times it is a very stubborn problem to shift.

[Guest Owen]

You should pick hexamita up when you do a droppings test. It is like canker except you will find it in the droppings as opposed to swabs.

It is best if you do not use tap water in your saline solution because both hexamita and canker would die quickly from the chlorine in it. Boiled water is OK.

Hexamita is very moble and easy to see at 400 magnication. Hexamita is very mobile and you can see them wriggling about.

The treatment is the same as for canker. I understand why some would say that it is best to use liquid treatment and , normally I would agree with that, but in this cold weather birds do not drink as much. So you either make a decision to up the dose to compensate or use tablets. It is very important to have another droppings test 10 to 14 days after the first one. You need to know that the treatment has worked and that you have not underdosed therefore running the risk of building up the immunity of the bugs.

[mickf]

The best way to test is use a moist cotton bud and place it in the pigeons vent,moving around the walls of the vent and then rub the the bud in some testing fluid on a glass slide and then have a look under the microscope.

[Guest IB]

 

IB would treating with nyfuramycin be just excessive we had our birds tested by avery good fancier  and is very good with a microscope?

 

Sorry, I can't answer that one. My tests were all clear, so I've never had a medication prescribed for it.

[dwh]

 

it is a bit excessive - for hexamitiasis - you need to treat (with canker treatment) for atleast 8 days though

 

we did after nyfuramycin after vits+ pro biots there was quite a bit of active bacteria present in the swab so i think thats why he advised  the use of anti's

[pigeonscout]

Tricho Plus (contains Ronidazole) For the treatment of pigeons and exotic birds for Trichomonas (canker) and Hexamitiasis. Effective against anaerobic bacteria. Broad safety margin. No harmful effect on racing performance. Not toxic for young birds.

[Guest mick bowler]

Chlamydia in birds (Chlamydophila psittaci) is best treated with with doxy, injected (by a vet of course!).

[Guest mick bowler]

I was told that Hexamitiasis is only a problem in young birds.

 

Back in 2000 i went to belguim and visited a famous vet. Up til then had never heard of it. His appraisal was 80% of lofts had this without knowing and was the main cause of YBS. He reckoned birds up to 16 weeks old were most at risk, and old birds, although have no ill effect, would remain carriers unless treated.

 

[ch pied]

 

3 year ago we had ybs  with hex we were told treat with nyfuramycin then a canker treatment certainly cleared it up

shrewed vet , you have there , nyfuramycin to hit the hanger's on that feed on the protein's given off by the thrico & hex .

 

 

[pigeonscout]

I was told that Hexamitiasis is only a problem in young birds.

[pigeonscout]

 

Back in 2000 i went to belguim and visited a famous vet. Up til then had never heard of it. His appraisal was 80% of lofts had this without knowing and was the main cause of YBS. He reckoned birds up to 16 weeks old were most at risk, and old birds, although have no ill effect, would remain carriers unless treated.

 

Yes I have also been told this and if true then we should not be looking at this as a cause of old birds getting sick.

[dwh]

I was told that Hexamitiasis is only a problem in young birds.

 

to the best of my limited knowledge no?

[wilkins]

Chlamydia in birds (Chlamydophila psittaci) is best treated with with doxy, injected (by a vet of course!).

 

agree with this as this is what i was told by a vet, in the kevin hurst book he tried doxy for 40 days then had to inject them when he was a loft manager over seas