Protein Lump

[jimmy white]

there are black lumps and black lumps,, some can be   "protein lumps" as they are called,,, why i dont know,, as all the birds in the loft usually have the same amount of protein fed to them  :-/,, the other lumps can be od varying types [i would get my birds tested for paratypoid   just to rule it out]

[dod grant]

paratyphoid rather than protein lumps i would be waiting to see if the swollen wing joints appear should treat the birds with parastop as soon as possible

[Guest slugmonkey]

Protien lumps usally smaller and just under the skin and they come and go

[DOVEScot]

These are seemingly caused by the individual birds inability to handle proteins, that is how only certain birds get them, the bird in the picture made a full recovery and are blood blisters not clear or yellow like paratyphoid

 

[peterpau]

Yes I would be thinking para maybe. I'd try cider vinegar in the water, and look to get 'em tested. I don't normaly test but this I might. If cocci kanker and worms are all under control, cider vinegar and honey would be my next move.

[Guest IB]

I think you'll find that these have nothing at all to do with protein, or a dietery imbalance. They usually affect just the one pigeon in the flock, all the birds are eating the same, but only the one gets it?

 

Some of the cage bird Sites relate it to obese birds, and they might be nearer the mark? I understand that these lumps are pure fat. Fat is stored under the skin in pigeons, and you would think the normal way for it to be absorbed into the body when needed would be through the blood vessels? But instead, this solid fat store liquifies and then pushes / or is pushed out of the pigeon's body through the skin, rupturing it, and the blood & gore ends up as a right mess on the loft floor, without any apparent affect on the bird, which then heals up all on its own?

 

Leave it to run its course. The cause is a mystery.

[DOVEScot]

I think you'll find that these have nothing at all to do with protein, or a dietery imbalance. They usually affect just the one pigeon in the flock, all the birds are eating the same, but only the one gets it?

 

Some of the cage bird Sites relate it to obese birds, and they might be nearer the mark? I understand that these lumps are pure fat. Fat is stored under the skin in pigeons, and you would think the normal way for it to be absorbed into the body when needed would be through the blood vessels? But instead, this solid fat store liquifies and then pushes / or is pushed out of the pigeon's body through the skin, rupturing it, and the blood & gore ends up as a right mess on the loft floor, without any apparent affect on the bird, which then heals up all on its own?

 

Leave it to run its course. The cause is a mystery.

 

Protein lumps or fatty lumps, Similar things occur in humans as well, as you say a mystery to why they occur, nothing to do with obesity as Billy has them due to the proteins or supliments he got in hospital :-/

[Guest IB]

Looking for 'F' for feather, got 'F' for fat instead, .i.e. fatty lumps  

 

Think you'll find new info here, sheds a bit more light on this condition.

 

http://www.avianweb.com/fattumours.html

 

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

cut your maize out and protein no more than 20% 18% better  

[REDCHEQHEN]

Looking for 'F' for feather, got 'F' for fat instead, .i.e. fatty lumps  

 

Think you'll find new info here, sheds a bit more light on this condition.

 

http://www.avianweb.com/fattumours.html

 

 

 

they're lipomas - totally different to whats on this thread though

[DOVEScot]

Looking for 'F' for feather, got 'F' for fat instead, .i.e. fatty lumps  

 

Think you'll find new info here, sheds a bit more light on this condition.

 

http://www.avianweb.com/fattumours.html

 

 

 

It certainly seems very similar, the tumours in this article need removed surgically where the one I and others have experienced fell off after tying thread round it, also the one that was brought to me was definitely not obese :-/

[Michael J Burden]

IB, thanks it was very informative.

 

Do you think the Iodine could be the key, Matrix is always put in front of my birds.

 

    *  Introduce a low fat diet (low sunflower seed content).

    * Balance nutrition by following the Ongoing Health Programme.

    * Use an Iodine supplement to stimulate the thyroid gland and metabolism of fatty tissues.

    * Stimulate exercise twice daily to help with weight and fat reduction.

    * Return in 2 weeks for re-assessment of the tumour.

[Guest IB]

IB, thanks it was very informative.

 

Do you think the Iodine could be the key, Matrix is always put in front of my birds.

 

    *  Introduce a low fat diet (low sunflower seed content).

    * Balance nutrition by following the Ongoing Health Programme.

    * Use an Iodine supplement to stimulate the thyroid gland and metabolism of fatty tissues.

    * Stimulate exercise twice daily to help with weight and fat reduction.

    * Return in 2 weeks for re-assessment of the tumour.

 

 

Protein lumps, fatty lipomas, black lumps, blood blisters, call them what you will: but they are all basically the same thing.

 

What people cannot agree on is their cause. I think this article is nearer to the true cause than has been posted before.

 

I have suspected it is down to a metabolism problem with an individual bird. I don't think it is genetic, because only one pigeon and not its kin get it, and having suffered it once, never get it again (in my experience anyway).

 

And it may not be the thyroid gland that is at fault. It might be the pituitary gland (spelling) because that is the one that secretes thyroxin (iodine) that stimulates the thyroid. (Only know that as a workmate takes thyroxin for 'an underactive thyroid')

 

But again, the condition seems to self-correct, so even with this additional info, I would still be inclined to do nothing - it sorts itself out, whatever 'it' is.    

 

 

[DOVEScot]

 

 

Protein lumps, fatty lipomas, black lumps, blood blisters, call them what you will: but they are all basically the same thing.

 

What people cannot agree on is their cause. I think this article is nearer to the true cause than has been posted before.

 

I have suspected it is down to a metabolism problem with an individual bird. I don't think it is genetic, because only one pigeon and not its kin get it, and having suffered it once, never get it again (in my experience anyway).

 

And it may not be the thyroid gland that is at fault. It might be the pituitary gland (spelling) because that is the one that secretes thyroxin (iodine) that stimulates the thyroid. (Only know that as a workmate takes thyroxin for 'an underactive thyroid')

 

But again, the condition seems to self-correct, so even with this additional info, I would still be inclined to do nothing - it sorts itself out, whatever 'it' is.    

 

 

I totally agree

[Chairman]

I once had a larger lump on the back on my head, it was not too much protein that caused it, It was the wife's cast iron frying pan.

what treatment did I use to remedy it happening again? Quite simply I came home on time.

She indoors must be obeyed, yeah damn right Oh I should'nt have said that, I can feel another lump coming on, gotta dash!