Bleach in Water

[Guest CS]

In the past many have advised that bleach should be added to the water to disinfect it and prevent the spread of disease amongst other benefits.

 

bleach renders the waters PH to be Alkaline, thus encouraging the harbouring and spreading of Salmonella and E-Coli infections, apparently in some cases stimulating growth of these diseases.

 

It was advised that one should use vinegar/acid based products for disinfection purposes.

 

Any comments?

[westy]

i use white vinager in the water as it keeps the droppings solid but heard thin bleach helps keep worms away.

[me]

In the past many have advised that bleach should be added to the water to disinfect it and prevent the spread of disease amongst other benefits.

 

bleach renders the waters PH to be Alkaline, thus encouraging the harbouring and spreading of Salmonella and E-Coli infections, apparently in some cases stimulating growth of these diseases.

 

It was advised that one should use vinegar/acid based products for disinfection purposes.

 

Any comments?

 

Glad to see your computer is working again Craig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

a little knowledge really can be a bad thing "bleach" and all the other similar based products are effective killers of salmonella and e-coli, of course if you don't change the water for a week it will be less efficent .

 

 

[birdman55678]

One thing you have left out Craig is to use a good gut flora after using bleach..  Or so I have been told anyway.   Ed

[Guest TAMMY_1]

how much bleach would you use in a 5 pint drinker ?

[mac1]

i put bleach in the bath water just a little though

[Guest fergie]

how much bleach would you use in a 5 pint drinker ?

 

i use thin bleach, 1 teaspoon to a 5 pint drinker

[crazy pigeon boy]

never heard of useing bleach in the water wont it harm the birds???

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

i use thin bleach, 1 teaspoon to a 5 pint drinker

 

thank you for that

[THE FIFER]

i would not like to put bleach in the drinking water(only my opinion not saying its right) for in the bath water i am sure it could damage their feathers if too much, it turns things white could finnish up with a loft of white birds, people use bleach to turn their hair blond, i used to spray bleach on my loft floors but the birds tail feathers started to rot, it was the birds getting in before it was properly dry, be careful with bleach,,

[Guest TAMMY_1]

i would not like to put bleach in the drinking water(only my opinion not saying its right) for in the bath water i am sure it could damage their feathers if too much, it turns things white could finnish up with a loft of white birds, people use bleach to turn their hair blond, i used to spray bleach on my loft floors but the birds tail feathers started to rot, it was the birds getting in before it was properly dry, be careful with bleach,,

 

GOOD POINT FIFER, I HAVE NEVER USED IT BUT  HAVE HEARD OF FANCIERS THAT DO USE IT BUT THERE ARE PLENTY SAFE THINGS TO PUT IN THE WATER

[Guest]

Most bleaches are chlorine-based, and drinking water already has chlorine in it.

 

As a rule, I never use an off-the-shelf product for anything other than what it says can be done with it on the label, or on the info leaflet.

 

The only drinking water disnifectant that I have come across that specifically says that it can be used to disinfect drinking water is Vanodine 18. I've a bottle of it here which I use to make up disinfectant spray, it goes in puddles that collect around the drain outside the loft open doors, but I still wouldn't use it in the drinker unless there was something serious going on inside the loft ... and there isn't / hasn't been.  ;D

 

 

[Guest]

milton is used to sreep babys bottles in steep ya drinkers in that and it will sterilise them ,remember that vet david parsons i think he said when you have an out break of youb=nfg bird sickness then add spoonful of bleach to water so must be sumfin in it

[Guest]

Sammy, following an experiment conducted by Professor White last year, I went to Milton manufacturers with a straight question: would Milton added to drinking water and left open to the common elements [dust, droppings, feathers] found in a pigeon loft, keep that water safe given that any protein will neutralise it? I'm still waiting on an answer.

 

Milton is just another form of Chlorine too.

[mark]

you are better off using milton sterlising fluid if its safe for babies cant do the birds any harm.

[tony99]

why wud u put bleach in the water wot 4

[Guest]

Well, tried Milton again. Used enquiry form on their website, to ask :

 

 

Contacted your Press Agents last year with a question on the use of Milton Sterilising Fluid, didn't receive a reply. Can you confirm if Milton Sterilising Solution added to bird's drinking water would keep the drinking water safe in an open environment [e.g. the drinking water in a pigeon loft is open to airborne dust, faeces, feathers etc and is changed regularly every day] given that your literature states any protein contact will neutralise it., breaking it down into salt and water.

 

this is their reply:

 

 

I can confirm that you can use Milton to sterilize bird’s drinking water in those conditions. Use a dilution of 5ml of Milton to every 10 litres of water; let it stand for 15 minutes and it will then be safe to drink. This method has been used and approved by many pigeon fanciers in the North of England and it will keep the water fresh for several days before replenishing.

[peterpau]

Milton for canker and cider vinegar for e-coli

[Roland]

Horses for courses. Ricky Mardis did a study I believe, and the measurements etc. On Camanco site. Now it certainly gives the birds a great shine and silky tight feathering, soft as sheen it's self. So for the show pen a must. When I tried it, about 11 years ago now, I was impressed with the looks and condition. But I decided that as it kills ALL gut bateria, it had to have a detrimental effect. Pigeons need Gut Bacteria, and also a mild dose of canker. But have vital needs to the pigeon. To remove completely either one must be asking for a bad immune system and bad doses of cankers.There are now 29/ 30 types of srains, and they very quickly become immune to any treatment. So one has to often change the cure remedy. But if never treated for canker, and are fit and healthy, then one may well do more harm than good. Ws a time when in bad cases a match, or cotton bud was used, and that was that. The bird dealt with it and it became part and  partial to it's system. Yes they need some form or strain of canker at all times, and this in mild forms they keep under control and regulate.

 

[Chatrace]

Several flyer here use it in the water as it was a topic by a couple well known bird Vets that it helps keep the birds from spreading sickness, ! teaspoon per gallon of water and in hor summer months 1 1/2 teaspoons can be added as it evaporates while sitting,just like clorine in a swimming pool

[Tony C]

A couple of things to consider. If the bad bacteria is more virulent than the good and the good gets wiped out and some of the bad remained that would then leave the bad to run amok unchallenged.

The other is if it didn't eradicate the two completely and the bad is capable of multiplying quicker, again the bad could outweigh the good. In both cases the initial quick fix could be doing more damage than good in the long run.

 

I'm not saying this is what happens.............but could it?

[madmaxlofts]

i use 1/4 ov a tablet ov baby sterilising tablets

to a gallon drinker

[Guest CS]

Some fanciers used "Beach in water" when their YBs sickness...

 

24 hours Beach in water. no food...

[jimmy white]

yes , that was my original post ,, for crop infections,,,milton ,,,diluted off course

[Guest]

I don't think 'bleach' was ever meant for drinking; it's always labelled for external use, probably because it's not selective : it just kills everything it comes into contact with, good or bad.

 

I wonder what it does to the mucous lining, and all those sensitive membranes? Just a thought ....