Disturibing News on Young Bird Death's

[Guest IB]

discussing immunity strength and all that..im diabetic have been for 2-3yrs...since ive been takin medication constantly for that time i catch every dam cold and bug that goes around ,or one of my family has...but one thing i dont ever have..is flu?

everything takes longer to get over too!..head aches...if i get more than one a year its rare.

 

all this ive put down to the constant medication im on, that breaks down my immunity.

 

but saying that...i wouldnt hesitate to medicate if the birds were ill...knowing what it is.

 

Type 2 diabetic myself. Never had a flu jab in my life until offered one 2007 as one of the 'at risk' group. Took jab, along with monococcal, didn't catch flu - but caught a heavy cold. Not usually bothered with colds so didn't go for the jab last year, caught another heavy cold, took ages to shake it off. Maybes diabetic condition makes us more susceptible to common stuff?

[Guest]

well if what you are saying is true then you need to change vet birds do not die ofnothing so i think you need to ask youerself ??was i being told truth lets keep it real shall we defra found nothing vet the same the what youer saying cant be truthful can it anything dyeing would show infection or bodly failure ie heart blood or poision

 

:-/ [ your saying cant be truthful ] > >

 

 

[Jeremy]

If birds are carrying something and then they are put under stress Being it a virus etc it will come out from them. I don't buy in pigeons anymore i just breed my own then i know i am not buying in trouble. I would say if someone has brought young birds in etc keep them seperate for as long possible from you own birds don't mix until there used to your feed and your way of doing things if possible not until 16 weeks old. Most yb sickness is Adovirus type 1 or 2, type one ecoil based, Circo is more serious Herpes virus etc etc but get them tested see what your up against keep stress down and give the best of everything but don't put antibiotics down them until you know what your dealing with as it could make things alot worse some will help 2nd bacteria infections but at the end of day the bird with a good immune system will come out on top..

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

Type 2 diabetic myself. Never had a flu jab in my life until offered one 2007 as one of the 'at risk' group. Took jab, along with monococcal, didn't catch flu - but caught a heavy cold. Not usually bothered with colds so didn't go for the jab last year, caught another heavy cold, took ages to shake it off. Maybes diabetic condition makes us more susceptible to common stuff?

 

Diabetics are susceptible to a lot of things - were you referred to a chiropodist after your diagnosis - if not you should have been - you need to keep your feet in good shape - and have them looked at/looked after on  a regular basis

[Gail J]

There are 2 confirmed cases of paramyxo in the valleys, confirmed by the vet, defra have been informed and informed of the vendors details

[pjc]

gail is it norm paramyxo or the new variant?

[Gail J]

gail is it norm paramyxo or the new variant?

 

I think it's the normal one Phil, their heads are practically upside down, can't eat or anything, I know the fanciers well and they are gutted, paid quite a bit for these birds

[pjc]

had they been jabbed?

[Gail J]

had they been jabbed?

 

The vendor reckons yes :-/

[pjc]

there seems to be more than 1 strain of paramyxo and if the birds have been jabbed then the vaccine used clearly is ineffective.

[Guest spin cycle]

If birds are carrying something and then they are put under stress Being it a virus etc it will come out from them. I don't buy in pigeons anymore i just breed my own then i know i am not buying in trouble. I would say if someone has brought young birds in etc keep them seperate for as long possible from you own birds don't mix until there used to your feed and your way of doing things if possible not until 16 weeks old. Most yb sickness is Adovirus type 1 or 2, type one ecoil based, Circo is more serious Herpes virus etc etc but get them tested see what your up against keep stress down and give the best of everything but don't put antibiotics down them until you know what your dealing with as it could make things alot worse some will help 2nd bacteria infections but at the end of day the bird with a good immune system will come out on top..

 

i agree with the first part and have learnt from the second...good post.

[Guest]

There are 2 confirmed cases of paramyxo in the valleys, confirmed by the vet, defra have been informed and informed of the vendors details

 

You wouldn't call that an epidemic as some have though would you Gail?  Thanks for confirming it to everyone by the way.  

 

 

[Guest IB]

 

Diabetics are susceptible to a lot of things - were you referred to a chiropodist after your diagnosis - if not you should have been - you need to keep your feet in good shape - and have them looked at/looked after on  a regular basis

 

Annual check-up at Surgery does include feet being checked over, blood samples taken for analyses, and blood pressure check. Also annual hospital visit for retinal scan - take a flash photo of retina of each eye - talk about 'blinded by the light'   But everythings under control, heart pressure, blood sugar, cholestrol etc, and very pleased at that.

[Guest IB]

gail is it norm paramyxo or the new variant?

 

I'd asked Colombovac only this year had there been any changes in the PMV-1 virus and was told it had remained unchanged for years. What is the new variant?

[Novice]

 

I'd asked Colombovac only this year had there been any changes in the PMV-1 virus and was told it had remained unchanged for years. What is the new variant?

 

 

I spoke to Tom Pennicoat on this subject last year and he told me that the disease had changed over the years in that the affected birds don't always show the twisted neck symptom.

This leads fanciers to believe that the disease their birds are suffering from is not Para.

 

[Guest bigda]

if you have this in your lofts, or not  start to douse your loft with  virkon s  twice a week    squirt   in drinker small amount  try and get birds early,  they  will be noticable from the first  min they have it  fluffed up  on the floor  with a look that will tell you, get  some amoxacilline  tabs or powder give a quarter of a tab  or a tea spoon full in to a 3 pint drinker, you can also use para stop from deweerd  this is a must to get it or  get it in just in case, as this is trouble  you dont want to see.  if you ask me  this is manly brought in by rats and mice, mainly as they are hard to keep at bay   at this time of year,  and dont think yer loft is safe  because 99.5%

of lofts aint,  and the mice just love to pi-sh all over everything in yer shed and are always about  new born 3 day old chicks  licking the milk of the squabs face, given a chance

[pjc]

 

You wouldn't call that an epidemic as some have though would you Gail?  Thanks for confirming it to everyone by the way.  

 

 

 

2 confirmed cases but how many lofts that don't report a problem and just cull effected birds?

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

if you have this in your lofts, or not  start to douse your loft with  virkon s  twice a week    squirt   in drinker small amount  try and get birds early,  they  will be noticable from the first  min they have it  fluffed up  on the floor  with a look that will tell you, get  some amoxacilline  tabs or powder give a quarter of a tab  or a tea spoon full in to a 3 pint drinker, you can also use para stop from deweerd  this is a must to get it or  get it in just in case, as this is trouble  you dont want to see.  if you ask me  this is manly brought in by rats and mice, mainly as they are hard to keep at bay   at this time of year,  and dont think yer loft is safe  because 99.5%

of lofts aint,  and the mice just love to pi-sh all over everything in yer shed and are always about  new born 3 day old chicks  licking the milk of the squabs face, given a chance

 

They're talking about PMV - not paratyphoid

[Novice]

 

They're talking about PMV - not paratyphoid

 

that is my interpretation to

 

 

[kaybee]

69 replys in and circo only mentioned once. It would be my guess that birds are affected by one of the types of circovirus to start with. This would then lead too any jags for para or whatever being rendered useles, hence the high rates of paramyxo being found throughout the UK. Putting antibiotics into them at this time is futile and will only harm birds with already good immune systems. Good Luck to anyone going through this. Believe me you'll need it.

[Guest numpty01]

 

 

2 confirmed cases but how many lofts that don't report a problem and just cull effected birds?

phil as we all know who have had birds long time most keep stum and would not involve defra in the matter

 

 

[Guest peter.j]

 

You wouldn't call that an epidemic as some have though would you Gail?  Thanks for confirming it to everyone by the way.  

 

2 confirmed cases and what about the unconfirmed/unreported as believe me there will be more unreported to defra than reported have you kept birds long as your comment shows some naievety[sp]

[Guest numpty01]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dsorry could not help it

[Guest numpty01]

69 replys in and circo only mentioned once. It would be my guess that birds are affected by one of the types of circovirus to start with. This would then lead too any jags for para or whatever being rendered useles, hence the high rates of paramyxo being found throughout the UK. Putting antibiotics into them at this time is futile and will only harm birds with already good immune systems. Good Luck to anyone going through this. Believe me you'll need it.

yes i think you touched on the point maney do jag for para and then find out its thyphoid

or circovirus bilco pointed this out two years ago

 

[Guest IB]

 

 

I spoke to Tom Pennicoat on this subject last year and he told me that the disease had changed over the years in that the affected birds don't always show the twisted neck symptom.

This leads fanciers to believe that the disease their birds are suffering from is not Para.

 

Take your point about certain symptoms may or may not show; but could that not be said of any disease? Also take your point about several diseases displaying similar symptoms. But that is not what the previous post says, it suggest that the PMV virus had changed, and there's a new variant strain.

 

Puzzled how they can claim to have paramyxo, paratyphoid etc. as only a vet could tell for sure which one of these your birds have. Seems though that few go near a vet, so statements that 'Paratyphoid rife' etc (my opinion) should be taken with a pinch of salt, they can't be based on fact, and as such are pure scaremongering.