treatment

[Guest Owen]

If you are concerned about he birds there is a check list that you need to create and use. You start with the loft and go from there.

The must be sunshine, and there must be plenty of air. You must get the stocking level right, because if you overcrowd you will never get them into form.

Healthwise, and this is my opinion, you must vaccinate for both paratyphoid and paramyxo. I have heard it said that people do not agree with treating birds but I can not see how you can get away with not treating for worms. They are parasites and if they invade the birds things can only get worse. If worm infestations go unchecked you will end up with the whole environment becoming contaminated. This especially true of hair worm.

If the loft is right you should not have repiritory problems. Canker, Cocci and Hexamita should not be treated unless the birds are definately carrying them. So you must have them checked by a competant person with a microscope and only treated if the levels are unacceptable. YBS is a big problem but I am sure I have now found a way of controlling it without using antibiotics. I do not want to go into it here but, if asked, I will explain.

After that, it is all down to the birds and the system you use to fly them. I believe that a good system will get good birds to be very good. And very good birds will only be average on a poor system.

[Guest IB]

slug monkey is giving advice as best he can he hasn't insulted anyone i would ask u not to insult anyone and  maybe throw in your own advice instead of criticizing others

 

Slugmonkey is one of the original members of this forum. Used to be on quite regularly. Think it was Don who said the old regulars from the other side of the pond no longer come on here because of this kind of treatment. It really is uncalled-for, agreed not all advice fits every situation, but that doesn't make the advice bad, or the person offering it an idiot. Far from it.

[jack]

if you want to stay on top of your game you have to treat your birds .

there is no way around this as birds are sent  sick to races without people even noing

thats were the problem starts.

[Guest IB]

Personally, I think end of season is the best time of year to raise these sorts of questions, you've the coming close season to go back over your methods & beliefs, consider alternatives and make changes if need be.

 

But I believe it is a fundamental principle that the stock you start with must be healthy and be capable of keeping itself healthy. Only sick animals need medication, and if they need it on a regular basis to remain healthy, then surely they are fundamentally sickly stock. Yes I agree on getting them tested, and yes I agree on medicating them if the test result requires that. But if they are constantly coming back with 'X' then something must be wrong either in the birds, your management, or both. Because the birds are equipped to deal with reasonable challenges of all the stuff you treat for. If the challenge does overwhelm the bird, then the first question is not what to treat with, but how did they become infected, where's the source?

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

It's ok most here think me an idiot too !!!

I was not being self righteous I was merely telling the methods I use !!!!

I feed nearly the same all year - if you think this is wrong try going on a diet of something you hate to eat for 5 months !!!!!

I race and train hard with most of my birds flying nearly every week and some flying every week again I know this is stupid I hear it every week !!!! especially when my birds wind up in the top of the national rankings people say man that bird flew 10 weeks straight thats crazy !!!!

I know you have to starve the birds to get them to trap and that open hole will kill you on short fast races but just think how many more club speed records than the 4 I already hold I would have if I wasn't so stupid and I probably would break a few more national records than the 1 that stood for 16 years that I broke last year

I am sorry I will WISE UP !!!

[Guest slugmonkey]

 

Slugmonkey is one of the original members of this forum. Used to be on quite regularly. Think it was Don who said the old regulars from the other side of the pond no longer come on here because of this kind of treatment. It really is uncalled-for, agreed not all advice fits every situation, but that doesn't make the advice bad, or the person offering it an idiot. Far from it.

 

Thank You IB but I have been treated a lot worse than this on here

I use a LOT of "stupid stuff " I have learned on here so please let these guys keep after the "yanks" as I am often referred too as I dont want all of these other guys getting my secrets I often post stuff on here I wouldnt any where else although I do share secrets with new guys I was once told that it dosent matter what you tell another pigeon guy as they aint going to use it anyway !!!

[Guest slugmonkey]

although being called stupid does put me in pretty good company here as I have seen some pretty fair fanciers be called that on here !!!!

 

I am changing my phrase on my avatar !!!!

[just ask me]

 

Thank You IB but I have been treated a lot worse than this on here

I use a LOT of "stupid stuff " I have learned on here so please let these guys keep after the "yanks" as I am often referred too as I dont want all of these other guys getting my secrets I often post stuff on here I wouldnt any where else although I do share secrets with new guys I was once told that it dosent matter what you tell another pigeon guy as they aint going to use it anyway !!!

 

u keep writing slug ill keep reading  

[Guest slugmonkey]

TYVM Ask Me

[dudley]

if you have 24 races,what harm can medication do if you give the right med for the right problem,at least you will stand a chance of winning,and your only treating maybe two or three times at most,come on give them a chance,ken

[Guest slugmonkey]

the problem dudley is some give it all the time

this is what I am saying

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Fantastic response to some of these  comments ALBEAR. Very well thought of and sensible comments. From a personal view the Canker should be treated every month, but the BIGGEST problem is this FUNGAL where it cannot be  seen. You will see birds sitting a bit hunched and when they are outside sit on roofs, won't come down when shouted on, pick the moss or bits and pieces from maybe the top of the loft. You can bet your last dollar this is what this is FUNGAL PROBS, extremely important to keep it under control and firmly believe this is where many birds get lost from and unfortunately many of the fanciers don't know much about this. Remeber this is my own opinion and no one else. So good luck to all and have a good y.b. season.

[dudley]

well my friend you dont have to go that way,if your putting the time in with your birds they should be winning,if they are fit and healthy,how many times you treat is up to you and you alone ,ken

[walterbmasson]

 

 

slug monkey there is one thing i am absolutely sure every bird is suspect to canker and worms some people say they dont treat for this ailments mustuse other methods [ and iam not bothered who it is and nobody should advise not to get this out of a birds system ]

[Guest kev d]

thanks everyone for the comments and thanks albear your a good mate ,

i will be back in 1/2 hr and explain my system and what i do .

the yb i dispossed of were going on the roof and spoiling the rest of the team .

see u later .

[Guest Owen]

I could'nt believe what I was reading when I saw slugmonkey say that you need to starve the birds to get them to trap. I feed my birds what they want except during their training. My widowhood cocks are fed before they go out for exercise and have enough to leave some. I never have trouble trapping. In fact I would challenge anyone you like to beat those cocks on the trap. The Young birds have to have the idea of going straight in drummed into them. But they are well OK before they race and again they can eat as much as they like. I will not put up with indiscipline and they know it. For me, it is all a matter of training.

[Guest kev d]

hi all , like alan says i work long hours and have two jobs just so the wife and kids and me

can have a life style i did not have when i was a kid my pigeons are my get away from everyday stress

and to me its just a hobby thats all if i do well thats good if not theres always another race .

ive had pigeons all my live and to me if there not ill i dont treat ,if i dont think there right they stay at home

i fly natural and and paired up 2nd week in feb last season and this season my birds have had traing most days up to 50 or 60 miles

my mate drops them where i tell him and when there back there on a open hole till tea time 6 pm ive been very lucky no attacks by bop

ive been left alone this year .

the only treatment they have had is worm treatment ascapilla tablets and vaccination and nothing else , my loft is well ventilated and as a small avairy on the front

i see to them 3 times a day before work and lunch time and night time cleaned out every time i enter the loft and clean water twice a day i buy the best corn i

can afford with vits and minarels and grit and lots more beside , but this season not performing , thanks for reading kev , i only fly in the nfc so very hard to compeat .

[Guest slugmonkey]

Owen a lot of guys use the starvation method to trap if you read any posts from me you will know that I do not belive in this

[Guest slugmonkey]

Walter

there was a post on here long ago about a study that was done regarding canker it concluded that natural immunity could be achived by allowing exposure to canker so I went wilth it I rarely treat canker in the race lofts and havent in 4 years in the breeder

worms are another story I belive I have isolated my breeders enough and the loft conditions are dry enough to have eliminated them from that enviroment ???

as racers go I treat for worms 1 time a year but I belive all the cider vinegar, cayanne pepper, and sunflower seeds I give keep this to a minimum

What you have said is true I am sure some of the things I do unknowingly keep these problems in check and another thing that happens here is the cold it gets bitter here in the winter we had 32 straight days of sub freezing weather in a row with 14+days of single digit weather couple this with 20 mph winds and if you have any disease it cleans it out in a hurry in the summer we have lots of heat it was 108 degrees here last week these conditions weed out the sick in a hurry  

[greenlands]

Slugmonkey,please enlighten me on the product cayanne pepper and how to usr it.

Lindsay C.

[Ronnie]

Slugmonkey,please enlighten me on the product cayanne pepper and how to usr it.

Lindsay C.

 

yes Slugmonkey please enlighten us its the first time ive heard of it used on pigeons.

some great results there Slugmonkey and your advice is not to be sniffed at.

back to the post i dont treat for anything but i'm not a top flyer in the club or fed so maybe thats why i am not up there week in and week out just occasionally.

[Guest]

Walter

there was a post on here long ago about a study that was done regarding canker it concluded that natural immunity could be achived by allowing exposure to canker so I went wilth it I rarely treat canker in the race lofts and havent in 4 years in the breeder

worms are another story I belive I have isolated my breeders enough and the loft conditions are dry enough to have eliminated them from that enviroment ???

as racers go I treat for worms 1 time a year but I belive all the cider vinegar, cayanne pepper, and sunflower seeds I give keep this to a minimum

What you have said is true I am sure some of the things I do unknowingly keep these problems in check and another thing that happens here is the cold it gets bitter here in the winter we had 32 straight days of sub freezing weather in a row with 14+days of single digit weather couple this with 20 mph winds and if you have any disease it cleans it out in a hurry in the summer we have lots of heat it was 108 degrees here last week these conditions weed out the sick in a hurry  

 

Slugmonkey I have no wish/desire to insult you and respect your opinion and from what I read you are a top flyer where you live. But my gut feeling is that the environment you fly in is completley different to ours and it's really difficult to compare.

However if you have a winning sytem that has done it for you without the use of anit biotics pm it to Kev and he can decide whether to use it. This has been a very interesting thread though and shows how diverse evryones approach is, though I do believe far more people treat regularly but are unwilling to say so, especially the top men!

[terry mccarthy]

i treat every week on return from race season is short they soon recover and yes antibiotics will give you them extra few yds

[Guest]

Have read all that everyone has to say on this issue.But personally i will stick to my own opinions on this one.DRUGS ARE FOR MUGS. ;D ;D

[Guest stb]

well folks i want your honest opinions on this when it comes to treatments i try not

to give them any thing what so ever but these last few seasons my birds are missing that extra few

yards coming but not good enough ? i was talking to albear tonight about it and alan tells me the truth ,he thinks

i should treat them for canker and fungel treatment on a regular basis with treating them for this do you think it will improve there

performance , i will do this next season and see what happens , so come on be truthfull treat or not to treat , but no nasty comments

please keep it sivel, cheers kev

well my honest op is that we must all need treatment for keeping them, ;D ;D