Domestos

[weecunny]

whats the best curry lith

[Guest]

vimdaloo ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Lennut Tar]

must say glad i m not a pigeon  , i read somewhere  dont put  anything in water  that you would  nt drink yourself

 

Yes !!!!!!!!!!!! but that's just one of those throw away lines you hear all the time. In general ???????? to me, there appears to be a great reluctance somehow by many across the pond (Grin grin), to use bleach in the pigeons water for some strange reason.  It can be of benefit etc if used in the proper way & at the right time, have no doubt on that fact. "Now" for those that know of Levi etc, an expert on pigeons many years ago (Before I was born) it was one of his favorite medications one could say. Also one should remember now that here had something like 20,000 pigeons to look after etc on his farm. So common sense should tell you (if your smart)  that if here used bleach in his daily management etc, there was some benefit to be had for his birds/pigeons.

PS, He also used spirits of salts, (wink wink) so think about that one.

 

Enjoy.

 

 

[nittin vi]

i have used milton for over 30 years never had a bit of trouble just a tiny amount not even half a tea spoon /4pints of water used to get my share but now bird retired for last 12 years as I refuse to Jag ps never had any funny things go wrong  in fact had two hens up to 17 years old and the hen hawk killed one of them the other just died of old age  no molly cuddling here

its not what you put in the water that counts it what drinks it that matters

[tring]

high everyone,  this will be my first year with pigeon , bleach sounds good if it saves money. whats the ingredient in medication they selling is it the same as bleach

[weecunny]

spot on nittin

[Roland]

Yes have used Bleach. Mainly for the feathering. Then left a god while to allow the bird to regain all the Gut bateria that it has killed.

Yes it can't diffenfiate between the good gut ones and the bad ones of course.

[Guest kev d]

hi tring , if your going to use bleach only a couple of drops in the drinker

and no more do it every couple of weeks like the first post says .

if your not sure come on here and ask . if your a novice keep asking questions

somebody will help you , hope everythings goes well for you and enjoy your pigeons .

cheers kev

[tring]

cheers kev iv tried to get on a web site to give me a program on how to fly young pigeons do you know any website

[Guest joshdonlan]

hi mate

was not trying to be funny with you , just thought some one would be .

been thinking of doing it for ages will try in near future .

cheers kev

 

did you ever try it mate?

[Guest mick bowler]

must say glad i m not a pigeon  , i read somewhere  dont put  anything in water  that you would  nt drink yourself

 

Milton can be (and is) used to sterilise water when you go camping etc, to do away with any nasties in the water.

 

Milton is used for sterilising and not for "cleaning birds out". Most cross infection stem from the drinker, so it eliminates the posiblity of cross infection. Best to use a butt and add Milton or bleach at 10 ml per gallon.

 

Have used bleach but only at about 1ml per litre.

 

 

[dwh]

must say glad i m not a pigeon  , i read somewhere  dont put  anything in water  that you would  nt drink yourself

 

when you sterilise baby bottles with milton you don't rinse them b4 use so there must be some ingested by the baby and it does'nt seem to harm them so why should it harm the birds!!!!!

[willow]

I have a friend who puts it in the water everytime he changes it daily , not a lot only a very small amount u can measure it out in a syringe ,no harm to the birds clean bottles no gunge and no expense .

[Guest IB]

 

when you sterilise baby bottles with milton you don't rinse them b4 use so there must be some ingested by the baby and it does'nt seem to harm them so why should it harm the birds!!!!!

 

It isn't Milton we are talking about though, that is a weak 1% Sodium Hypochlorite solution  for sterilising drinking water. Domestos is a strong bleach 5% solution for cleaning & disinfecting non-food surfaces, and it also contains other stuff that you wouldn't dream of drinking.

 

 

 

 

[Guest joshdonlan]

But i wouldnt drink any of the medications either so i dont see the point of saying dont put it in if you wouldnt drink it  :-/

[Guest stevie-b]

gerald mcpherson has done this for years and swears by it

[catchthepigeon]

how does the demestos clean birds out is it by killing all the bacteria in the gut including the good bacteria

[Guest strapper]

i have posted this in a past post.

i use this method.

the reason for this is to sterylise the drinker(where most complaints spread from one bird to another).

1 tea spoon to a 3-4 pint drinker.

but not everyday.

1-2 times a week.

[catchthepigeon]

it says do not drink on the bottle and to avoid skin contact and irritable it cant be good for the birds

[Guest Owen]

I can not believe what I see on here sometimes. Why not concentrate on keeping the drinkers clean. Clinically clean that is. Because if you do that you would not have to subject the poor old birds to this water born horror. I would not want to drink bleach, however weak. It must be horrible to be forced to drink the stuff.

Thanks for the advice, but I will stick with REDCHEQHEN on this. Clean drinkers every day and no nasty stuff thankyou.  

[Guest IB]

how does the demestos clean birds out is it by killing all the bacteria in the gut including the good bacteria

 

I think it is a myth that it does anything like that inside the bird. All the health agency warnings about humans 'drinking household bleach' talk about burns, irritation to nose & throat linings, vomiting, etc. Even Milton is supposed to be neutralised in the mouth, turning to salt in water, its antimicrobial effects are on the drinker / water bottle, not in the gut.

[Guest strapper]

the amount that would be in the water at 1 tea spoon per gallon(not as i stated above) is not strong enough to do any harm.

the amount that is drunk by the bird would also not be harmful.

 

now if we are meaning what it states on the bottle harmfull if drunk....then we are getting it neat and in a much much larger amount.

[Guest mick bowler]

Worth a look: http://www.foodsafetysite.com/educators/competencies/consumers/produce/produce2.html

 

I believe some flours are "bleached" too!

[Guest strapper]

heres a very top vet talking about bleach.

 

David E. Marx D.V.M.

Golden Valley Pet

and Pigeon Clinic

 

The addition of common household bleach to the drinking water does, indeed, have beneficial effects on pigeon health.

 

This seems a little weird since the drinking of cholrinated water has negative implications in human health, especially with suggestions that it may be incriminated in the increased rate of cancer.

 

Chlorine is a strong chemical which binds to most organic molecules and can change their chemical identity, making some non-toxic compounds become toxic.

 

Personally, I use a filter on my drinking water which removes chlorine; but my pigeons drink a lot of it with what I percieve as beneficial effects. NEVER PUT ANYTHING ELSE IN THE DRINKING WATER AT THE SAME TIME AS CHLORINE.

 

The ususal method of treating the drinking water is to add 1 to 2 teaspoonsful of common household bleach, such as Clorox or Purex, to each gallon of water. The amount varies depending on the temperature. When it is hot the chlorine leaves the water faster, so use more; when it is cold, it leaves the water slowly so use less

[Guest joshdonlan]

heres a very top vet talking about bleach.

 

David E. Marx D.V.M.

Golden Valley Pet

and Pigeon Clinic

 

The addition of common household bleach to the drinking water does, indeed, have beneficial effects on pigeon health.

 

This seems a little weird since the drinking of cholrinated water has negative implications in human health, especially with suggestions that it may be incriminated in the increased rate of cancer.

 

Chlorine is a strong chemical which binds to most organic molecules and can change their chemical identity, making some non-toxic compounds become toxic.

 

Personally, I use a filter on my drinking water which removes chlorine; but my pigeons drink a lot of it with what I percieve as beneficial effects. NEVER PUT ANYTHING ELSE IN THE DRINKING WATER AT THE SAME TIME AS CHLORINE.

 

The ususal method of treating the drinking water is to add 1 to 2 teaspoonsful of common household bleach, such as Clorox or Purex, to each gallon of water. The amount varies depending on the temperature. When it is hot the chlorine leaves the water faster, so use more; when it is cold, it leaves the water slowly so use less

 

so there we have it a vet says there are postive effects