best sprinters?

[BLACK W F]

you surely did not have the right ones  maybe too many whites  not enough blues and chequers

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

na mine bred winners just found faster and more consistant birds

[Guest KING BILLY]

;D ;D

you surely did not have the right ones  maybe too many whites  not enough blues and chequers

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[swilcox]

frans zwols - not so many pigeons in the uk but so mant good prizes

[Guest KING BILLY]

frans zwols - not so many pigeons in the uk but so mant good prizes

 

are they any grizzels or blues or checkers ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[holmsidelofts]

 

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Sorry mate you are wrong, its like human athletes you have to be built for the job, linford christie was one of the fast men on earth at 100 meters, put him in a marathon an he wouldnt be anywhere to be seen. Sprinters are big and muscular, distance are leaner and carry less weight, Its the same for pigeons mate. Ok they all descend from the same ancestors but they have been breed for purpose over the last 100 years through selection. Same with race horses, some are better at short races and others at longer races. theses no such thing as an all round bird that can compete with the best at 60 -600 miles and you are kidding your self if you think there is. Thats why all the champions have more that one family of pigeons, horses for courses im afraid.

[biglad]

did'nt grondelear go to van reet? anyway just had a look at awebsite on van reet this tells us they're down through jansens half fabry lines and later on introduced a cock grote tom fro the the joseph soontjen loft.

[Guest youngzimmy]

holmsidelofts I AM AFRAID YOUR THE0RY IS A LOAD OF CRAP

[biglad]

try telling tray bros its crap they topping wda out of channel with pigeons bred out of sprinters 1 cock would'nt come from any farther than leicester(140 mls) yet brothers & sisters coming out of channel

[Guest youngzimmy]

A LOAD OF CRAP IN SO MUCH AS RIGHT FEEDING FOR THE JOB AND THEY WILL SURPRISE YOU HOW FAR THEY CAN FLY THE SECRET IS IN THE FEEDING AND NOT TELLING THEM THAT THEY ARE SPRINTERS

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

i agree with what you say about feeding

but it the same old question what do you feed. how much.  and when .  ????????

 

[biglad]

here here quite agree

[biglad]

you might not agree with this but two of the best pigeon men in the north hopper feed there hens so its at them all the time, try it see how much better they come and watch them exercise!

[Tony C]

The Braille feeding system ......... in other words what you feel is right at the time.

[jimmy white]

The Braille feeding system ......... in other words what you feel is right at the time.

 

;D braillient  ;D,,    but true

[biglad]

ha ha you give them the corn  and they eat what they want they ll gorge themselves at first but then they eat when they want and best thing about it,you can train them any time

[Guest triballofts]

i thought van reets had strong connections with grondelars and the marcellis went back to the bricoux hance why the marcellis are mostly reds and mealys . but your right most of the sprint birds go back to distance pigeons and you will find most of the distance pigeons go back to sprinters lol . when some of the belgium distance flyers look for a cross to bring in its normally a sprint pigeon and its not to make there distance pigeons faster its because they think sprint pigeons have developed a better homing ability to find home faster .

 

i was lead to belive that the vanreets had strong connections with herman and pigeons called vosstargons (if thats spelt right ) and 0ne jannsen hen the herman came from the breeding station for corn bag returns

[Guest triballofts]

the grondelars pigeon the stuka was a granson of the prinze of vanreet

[biglad]

go to a website on staf van reet  by tom de martino but having said that sure its true all the top men swop pigeons

[Guest bakes]

 

STAF VAN REET

By Tom De Martino

Staf Van Reet, truly one of the all time Master Breeders and Racing Champions winning over 600 times 1st prizes. The world renowned Piet DeWeerdt has said that the Van Reet pigeons are the fastest and most intelligent pigeons in the world.

 

Van Reet has had the fastest sprint pigeon in the province more than 22 times vs. over 100,000 pigeons.

 

The Van Reet pigeons have been winning worldwide. In Thailand, where they specialize in young bird racing, the weather is unbelievably hot and the Van Reet pigeons have shown they are up to the task winning multiple 1st's. In England it's the same story. Since the introduction of the Van Reet birds by Dean Pallet they have become the rage of the sport winning at all distances.

 

Staf has created his family based on the Old Line Janssens coming down from the "Half Fabry" of the Janssen Brothers. These are strong, tenacious pigeons that fly week after week and recuperate quickly. Champions like Daniel, 57x's 1st, Dikke Prinz, 26x's 1st, Prinz, 32x's 1st, Donkere Witpen Daniel, 17x's 1st, Bliksem, 18x's 1st, The Goode 53, 9x's 1st, Den Don, 10 x's 1st and Favorie, 8x's 1st and 37x's top 10 and their progeny have dominated the sport world wide.

 

When asked about his health program, Staf replied he only treats for canker. My pigeons are naturally healthy and those that are not are culled. I select by performance. They must win and fly week after week. Daniel once won three races in one week! You must have a healthy, vigorous strain to begin with. If you have to treat them with drugs, all is lost. After so many years of racing, culling, and not medicating, my pigeons are naturally healthy. They win against as many as 8,000 birds with no tricks or drugs. A well balanced mixture of sound grains and not too much protein, with plenty of clean fresh water. I change the water two or three times a day washing the fountains each time. Here is a man that has won over 600 races from 100 to 500 miles and two Nationals and he says, "There are no secrets, just good pigeons and handlers".

 

Over the years, Staf has introduced a few Super pigeons to his family. These new introductions would be paired to the best Van Reets and the off spring would be tested in the basket. Only the winning pigeons would be kept and bred back into the family. This is how Staf's Super racer and breeder, Favorie BELG-659426/92, was produced. After winning eight 1st's, Favorie was placed in the breeding loft. There he went on to sire generations of champion racers and breeders. With much negotiation, as Staf was reluctant to part with his Champion, I was able to purchase Favorie and bring him to the USA were he will be paired with other Van Reet imports.

 

Favorie's sire is Grote Tom. His sire, is bred from the Geschelpte Soontjens Cock from the famous loft of Joseph Soontjens, one of the greatest winning short distance champions in Belgium during the 1980's, and a daughter of Daniel, 57 x's 1st. His dam , Frou-Frouke, is a grand daughter of Donkere Witpen Daniel, 17x's 1st. Having access to the best Soontjens champions, Staf introduced these Janssen based pigeons into his family. Staf has said he has never had a better yearling than Favorie! "That is why you need to add a good cross once in a while". One thing Staf said was not to get caught up in the past! That is, always try to improve. That is why he adds new blood to his already successful family.

 

I've been racing since 1979 and over the past few years I have put together a good collection of proven breeders. Many have bred multiple 1st place winners or are winners themselves. What I can tell you is, as a family, the Staf Van Reet pigeons are very different! They have dominated all my lofts taking all the top nest boxes regardless of how long other birds have been here. They seem to be willing to fight till the death. When driving their hens, the cocks are very aggressive and intense. When released on training tosses, they make a 1/2 hook and head straight for home. Before I had these remarkable pigeons I have heard all of the wonderful things about them but being somewhat skeptical, I shrugged it off. Now that I have seen them in action, I can tell you they are for real. My complements to Staf Van Reet for developing this champion family of pigeons. The Van Reet pigeons will go down in history as one of the very best the sport has ever expereinced

[Guest triballofts]

thanks for that very intresting i only found out the herman thing from a video i watched some years ago i do like the vanreet pigeons as that is all i keep the herman as something to do with vosse witkop i belive i carnt remember what video it was now Graham

[biglad]

hermans must ave something they win all over but did nt do much in my area west durham  amal soon culled out

[Guest youngzimmy]

get away from the idea of van this van that van the other go to a fancier who has good honest winning pigeons his are the birds you want and if you are realy lucky he may even tell you how to work them for best results its not rocket science you know

[biglad]

at last common sense

[billt]

holmsidelofts I AM AFRAID YOUR THE0RY IS A LOAD OF CRAP

 

This is not a racist remark, when did a white guy last win a major 100mtrs race definately horses for courses