Protein / Layers Pellets

[Guest]

 

the reason i wouldnt feed any[ complete] pellets are simply that as a grain eating bird, it has a gizzard where it stores the grit which masticates the grain , if you were to feed a complete diet of pellets,, the gizzard would become redundant [im not against pellets at the right  time and  for the right reasons] but just one other way of ruining the modern days pigeons constitution.  

 

Agree,and would also like to point out that whenever I mention treatments or drugs I don't neccesarily mean anti biotics.Why do some people always jump to that conclusion?.Have heard that the G10 pellets are good though and they are designed for pigeons,but don't forget variety is the spice of life,so a good mixture of different sized/types of grains is bound to be better and easier to digest for the pigeon.

[xtccock]

some good advice,

i wasnt looking at to use as a complete feed,

but at    £4 A BAG then mixed with other grains its a bargain,

 

 

 

so what about on return from race when birds knackered easy to digest then.

[jimmy white]

some good advice,

i wasnt looking at to use as a complete feed,

but at    £4 A BAG then mixed with other grains its a bargain,

 

 

 

so what about on return from race when birds knackered easy to digest then.

 

could well be an aid ,,but the birds would have to be used to them b4 they would eat them

[DOVEScot]

 

Think you've maybe picked it up wrong, probably because it sounds so incredible: a chicken 'starts' a new egg every 7 minutes, and lays every 24 hours. Don't know how this works, or how long between ovulation and lay. Take your point about a monthly cycle, but seems to be a big difference between a pigeon at two eggs per cycle and a chicken at [don't know how many] eggs per cycle. When do they have a break ??

 

Na, she/we picked it up right

Monthly cycles are common in a lot of species. An egg takes 28 days to form from an cell to a laid egg, so when you give antibiotics to a chicken its 28 days before you can eat their eggs after the antibiotics are "finnished" the course ay only be an injection of days

 

[Guest]

 

Na, she/we picked it up right

Monthly cycles are common in a lot of species. An egg takes 28 days to form from an cell to a laid egg, so when you give antibiotics to a chicken its 28 days before you can eat their eggs after the antibiotics are "finnished" the course ay only be an injection of days

 

Can't comment further on this because as I have already said I just don't know enough about it.

 

On the main subject matter of the thread, the bits I've picked up are fairly self-explanatory: Layer pellets are specifically designed for increased egg production in layer chickens,  and layer chickens are specifically bred for maximum egg production starting from the age of 20 weeks. They lay one egg every day or 300 eggs per bird in a single year. After a year the bird is considered past its egg producing best and ends up on the table.

 

So layer pellets also contain 'fattening' elements because scrawny chicken meat just won't sell: a clay is added as a pellet ingredient binding agent, which also makes the bird gain weight.

 

I'll stick to pigeon pellets, thanks, and feed as a supplement. On Jimmy White's point, I recall Armand Sheer saying in his video that feeding 100% pellets causes an 'itis' of the gizzard.

 

 

[chickadee]

 

well you are a chickendee ;D ;D ;D

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[DOVEScot]

 

Can't comment further on this because as I have already said I just don't know enough about it.

 

On the main subject matter of the thread, the bits I've picked up are fairly self-explanatory: Layer pellets are specifically designed for increased egg production in layer chickens,  and layer chickens are specifically bred for maximum egg production starting from the age of 20 weeks. They lay one egg every day or 300 eggs per bird in a single year. After a year the bird is considered past its egg producing best and ends up on the table.

 

 

So layer pellets also contain 'fattening' elements because scrawny chicken meat just won't sell: a clay is added as a pellet ingredient binding agent, which also makes the bird gain weight.

 

I'll stick to pigeon pellets, thanks, and feed as a supplement. On Jimmy White's point, I recall Armand Sheer saying in his video that feeding 100% pellets causes an 'itis' of the gizzard.

 

 

Naaaa1 Bruno I respect a lot of your comments but this one you are bullsh##ing or misinformed.

A good breed of chicken for laying will lay around 300 eggs per year but some lay a lot less, chichen farms run on a two/three year cycle depending on the breed and average out put per battery, they are then culled for the soup making or animal feed, the sheds are cleaned out and a new batch of pullets arrives

We have had chickens laying good up to four years old

Table chickens are days old then kept in a communal shed and culled about 20 weeks, they are culled and the whole shed cleaned out, customers like M&S stipulate food aditives allowed in the feed,

I agree a pigeon may not suvive wholly on hen pellets due to them needing seed to keep the gizzard healthy but the are a great source of calcium and protein, feral pigeons live in selected areas and thrive well on non seed based food

A chichen only lays every day because their eggs are taken away, if you left them they would lay a clutch and then get broody and incubate them

[celtic]

what's the price of these layers pellets ?

[xtccock]

i was told £4 a bag in pennistone sheffeild 20-25kg

[T_T]

I also found with Layers Pellets ( don't know about any others ) that the birds do have to be a little on the hungry side before eating them and getting used to them but once they do, they eat them as readily as any other corn but certainly not to be fed pellets alone.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I thought healthy pigeons in good condition would have no problems laying without having to give them hen/chicken pellets as an aid.

[Guest]

 

Naaaa1 Bruno I respect a lot of your comments but this one you are bullsh##ing or misinformed.

A good breed of chicken for laying will lay around 300 eggs per year but some lay a lot less, chichen farms run on a two/three year cycle depending on the breed and average out put per battery, they are then culled for the soup making or animal feed, the sheds are cleaned out and a new batch of pullets arrives

We have had chickens laying good up to four years old

Table chickens are days old then kept in a communal shed and culled about 20 weeks, they are culled and the whole shed cleaned out, customers like M&S stipulate food aditives allowed in the feed,

I agree a pigeon may not suvive wholly on hen pellets due to them needing seed to keep the gizzard healthy but the are a great source of calcium and protein, feral pigeons live in selected areas and thrive well on non seed based food

A chichen only lays every day because their eggs are taken away, if you left them they would lay a clutch and then get broody and incubate them

 

 

I didn’t keep a note of websites I visited, and had bother finding them again. Remember that this thread is about layer pellets, and what is in them. Now discovered that there is chicken in them too. On continuous chicken egg production, agree that it is the act of taking the egg away that stimulates bird, but the birds one year life is confirmed by the last extract below - when they are slaughtered for food and for animal feed.  

 

 

1. ANIMAL FEEDS

 

The initial use of bentonite in animal feeds was strictly as a binder for pellets and cubes. In addition bentonite also reduced die adhesion and friction during pelletization.

 

Beyond the mechanical aspects producers noticed nutritional and medicinal benefits associated with bentonite added to animal feeds. Bentonite slows the passage of feed through the animal which maximizes nutrient extraction.

 

Bentonite also supplies beneficial amounts of some essential minerals to the animal. Some of the nutritional benefits include substantial weight gain in livestock and increased milk production in dairy cattle. The content of milk from dairy cows on rations that include bentonite shows a higher yield of protein and milk fat.

 

Bentonite added to poultry feed increases weight gain in broiler chickens and elevates egg production in layer hens. Along with increased production eggs are larger and have increased shell hardness. Medicinally bentonite reduces the risk of acidosis in livestock where high grain fermentable feeds are used such as fattening yards. Na-bentonite is also effective in reducing scouring in pigs and poultry. Bentonite has the ability to absorb some natural toxins such as aflatoxin and mycotoxin preventing uptake.

 

http://www.westernclay.com/USA/ProductsandServices/SodiumBentonite/tabid/57/Default.aspx

 

 

2. Method of solids recovery for use in animal feed or as a fuel utilizing natural flocculents

Document Type and Number: United States Patent 5269939

 

Abstract:

A waste stream such as from an animal or poultry processing plant is mixed with bentonite or Grafted Bentonite and then with liquid Chitosan as natural flocculents to form a rigid floc which removes fats, oils, greases, and/or proteins from the waste stream. The flocculated solids (sludge) is removed and dried, and either formed into granules or pellets. The recovered material may be used as animal feed, when appropriate. However, it is particularly useful when mixed with coal fines and pelletized to form fuel pellets or used in granule form as a fuel source.

 

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5269939.html

 

 

3. Layer life

 

This is an extract. Please be warned if you intend reading the full article it is pretty sickening.

 

Slaughter

 

Almost 27 million hens (spent layers) were killed in 2006 in England and Wales at around the age of 1 year old. As the hens are at the end of their productive lives they are of little economic value to the farmer and seen as a by-product of the egg industry which require disposal.

 

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/laying.html

 

 

[DOVEScot]

 

 

I didn’t keep a note of websites I visited, and had bother finding them again. Remember that this thread is about layer pellets, and what is in them. Now discovered that there is chicken in them too. On continuous chicken egg production, agree that it is the act of taking the egg away that stimulates bird, but the birds one year life is confirmed by the last extract below - when they are slaughtered for food and for animal feed.  

 

 

1. ANIMAL FEEDS

 

The initial use of bentonite in animal feeds was strictly as a binder for pellets and cubes. In addition bentonite also reduced die adhesion and friction during pelletization.

 

Beyond the mechanical aspects producers noticed nutritional and medicinal benefits associated with bentonite added to animal feeds. Bentonite slows the passage of feed through the animal which maximizes nutrient extraction.

 

Bentonite also supplies beneficial amounts of some essential minerals to the animal. Some of the nutritional benefits include substantial weight gain in livestock and increased milk production in dairy cattle. The content of milk from dairy cows on rations that include bentonite shows a higher yield of protein and milk fat.

 

Bentonite added to poultry feed increases weight gain in broiler chickens and elevates egg production in layer hens. Along with increased production eggs are larger and have increased shell hardness. Medicinally bentonite reduces the risk of acidosis in livestock where high grain fermentable feeds are used such as fattening yards. Na-bentonite is also effective in reducing scouring in pigs and poultry. Bentonite has the ability to absorb some natural toxins such as aflatoxin and mycotoxin preventing uptake.

 

http://www.westernclay.com/USA/ProductsandServices/SodiumBentonite/tabid/57/Default.aspx

 

 

2. Method of solids recovery for use in animal feed or as a fuel utilizing natural flocculents

Document Type and Number: United States Patent 5269939

 

Abstract:

A waste stream such as from an animal or poultry processing plant is mixed with bentonite or Grafted Bentonite and then with liquid Chitosan as natural flocculents to form a rigid floc which removes fats, oils, greases, and/or proteins from the waste stream. The flocculated solids (sludge) is removed and dried, and either formed into granules or pellets. The recovered material may be used as animal feed, when appropriate. However, it is particularly useful when mixed with coal fines and pelletized to form fuel pellets or used in granule form as a fuel source.

 

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5269939.html

 

 

3. Layer life

 

This is an extract. Please be warned if you intend reading the full article it is pretty sickening.

 

Slaughter

 

Almost 27 million hens (spent layers) were killed in 2006 in England and Wales at around the age of 1 year old. As the hens are at the end of their productive lives they are of little economic value to the farmer and seen as a by-product of the egg industry which require disposal.

 

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/laying.html

 

 

Aye feed for "broilers" is different from feed for "layers" Broilers are bred soley for the table

My family have worked and managed in both enterprises, maybe there are some that do it different as in farmers but the chicken giant like Marshal's, Eastwood's & Deans

Broilers are  fed and fattened as quick as possible but do't have a high fat content as customers like M&S want with the right ratio of fat and lean meat

 

The origonal post was for layers pellets which are high in protein and calcium vital for egg laying

Broilers pellets are high in protein and other ingreidients and contain growth homones

[pigeonscout]

I'd be wary of poultry pellets, agree that they probably don't contain antibiotics, but they do contain growth hormones, hence the spectacular 'body' the birds put on.

 

 

 

If your birds were fed theses pellets with the growth hormones, would they then fail a drugs test?

[mark]

layer pellets that are fed to chickens have no antibiotics in as they are for the food chain and its not allowed,

[Guest]

 

 

 

If your birds were fed theses pellets with the growth hormones, would they then fail a drugs test?

 

My use of term 'growth hormones' is not strictly correct. There use was supposed to be banned from January 2006, but now other terms have become more common 'growth factor' and 'growth promoter', and these are mainly antibiotics.

 

Think the Drugs Rule makes it clear you need to know what you are giving the birds, and if there was a banned substance, you run the risk of failing the test.

[Guest]

layer pellets that are fed to chickens have no antibiotics in as they are for the food chain and its not allowed,

 

Thought so too, but seems applies only to certain classes of antibiotic that are used in human health, and from the dates below, antibiotics are still widely used still, and still causing problems.

 

(1) Soil association, MRSA in Farm Animals [2007]

 

http://www.soilassociation.org/web/sa/saweb.nsf/848d689047cb466780256a6b00298980/5cae3a9c3b4da4b880257305002daadf?OpenDocument

 

(2) Factory farming – the issues [1997]

 

http://www.ciwf.org.uk/publications/reports/factory_farming_and_human_health_1997.pdf

 

 

[Back garden fancier]

Layers pellets have a colouring in to make the yolks Yellow/orange. Not sure how that would affect the pigeons?

 

 

 

[mac1]

i for one have never used them but you hear good feedback,when mixing into corn when breeding.are they worth trying or not.. thanks

[bewted]

some one told me about layers pellets when i had pigeons 20 odd years ago,only coz i was having trouble getting them to lay,when i did feed them as told to me on how much,,,,within 2 weeks i had eggs every where and it was a big freeze outside then for about,i think,3 weeks solid !!!

[Lennut Tar]

i for one have never used them but you hear good feedback,when mixing into corn when breeding.are they worth trying or not.. thanks

 

I'm quiet a believer in chicken layer pellets for pigeons, especially in the breeding season, 10 to 15% for me, 5% racing season. & No !!!!!!!!, they do not have anti-biotics added when used for the human chain line etc, or all of the rubbish under the sun in the mix, like some have said at times (Fools) via the internet. Methionine !!!!!!!!!!!,  B-12!!!!!!!!!, vit A, D, E, K are all part of the composition of the pellets that I use. 12-15 grains in the pellets, Meat & bone meal, fish meal blood meal, plus a wide variety of other items etc. just a terrific addition to the feed chain for pigeons in my view, & well worth a try.

PS, In my area, they are much cheaper than pigeon pellets to buy, so the money I save, I spend on the birds in some other area.

 

Enjoy.

 

 

[Guest j.bamling]

I use poultry supream breeding pellets 18.5% protein £7.50 a bag i find them brilliant for breeding ybs ....When i was gamekeeping i used phesant breeding pellets again i found them very good what made it better was i got them free  ;D

what i do is put corn in in the morning then when it is all gone roundabout dinnertime i put pellets only in the trough when thats gone on the afternoon i put more corn in ... I never leave corn in the hopper all the time because after a while they just pick out what they like and flick the rest all over then they dont get a balanced diet !!!! always make them eat what you have put in before replacing it with more ... I also dont like to mix the pellets in with the corn because you will end up with just a trough full of pellets  ;D

[Guest chrisss]

i have noticed from a few dvds that some guys give their birds chicken[layers] pellets when they are raising babies [guys like geoff kirkland etc]anyone else tried this and does it work?

[THE PRIEST]

I use gems G10 pellets . Never used chicken pellets.

I use most of the year but increase the percentage during breeding and rearing time.

michael.

[Guest shadow]

yes they work youngsters grow quickly