Sleepess Nights

[budgie]

With the New Breeding Season nearly upon us have you manged to aquire any exceptional Stock to improve your lines.We have managed to Acquire 6- latebreds 2 of which are directly from 2 SNFC Silver Award winners 1 from SNFC Silver Award winner 1 from 2nd Sect 5th Open Winner and 2 from 2nd Sect 6th Open Winner all with the SNFC.Its surprising even with  these new winning lines that the 98%  rule will still apply, and remember successful fanciers leave no stone unturned to achieve success.

[PIGEON_MAN]

With the New Breeding Season nearly upon us have you manged to aquire any exceptional Stock to improve your lines.We have managed to Acquire 6- latebreds 2 of which are directly from 2 SNFC Silver Award winners 1 from SNFC Silver Award winner 1 from 2nd Sect 5th Open Winner and 2 from 2nd Sect 6th Open Winner all with the SNFC.Its surprising even with  these new winning lines that the 98%  rule will still apply, and remember successful fanciers leave no stone unturned to achieve success.

Explain please.

 

[Guest SPORTKA]

I purchased a pair at the John James sale,turns out when advertised the cock was not credited with all his wins, hes had 9 x firsts ,5 x seconds, 4 thirds 2 x First federation and

3x second Federation, he also bred a string of winners  including Steve Sutons Bird of the year 2007 when paired to a Hen called sweet sixteen which I also purchased, I think if the offspring dont perform I will be looking at myself rather than the birds, just out of interest I beleive the bird was originally owned by Geoff Dowling and raced in the Thorn Coronation,

anyway im putting my faith in him this season and hoping he comes up with the goods for me

[budgie]

Explain please.

Tony what % of good pigeons do you think you have in your Loft .Take time and review the contents of your breeding books and the pigeons you have purchased.Over a 2 year period how many are left and you will find the answer to the 98%  Rule.

Keep clear of aged stock birds that guys are off-loading and if they were any good they would not be for sale.

 

 

[slinky slitheroe]

With the New Breeding Season nearly upon us have you manged to aquire any exceptional Stock to improve your lines.We have managed to Acquire 6- latebreds 2 of which are directly from 2 SNFC Silver Award winners 1 from SNFC Silver Award winner 1 from 2nd Sect 5th Open Winner and 2 from 2nd Sect 6th Open Winner all with the SNFC.Its surprising even with  these new winning lines that the 98%  rule will still apply, and remember successful fanciers leave no stone unturned to achieve success.

What i want to know is this  How long do you give a stock bird the chance to produce the good at the long distance and how many hens or cocks would you try it with before it gets the heeve ho.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

What i want to know is this  How long do you give a stock bird the chance to produce the good at the long distance and how many hens or cocks would you try it with before it gets the heeve ho.

 

 

i tend to look at what ybs they've left behind first if none left i try to find fault in the parents if go through moult well id split them , if were struggling when rest of birds werent id get shut there and then its just the matter of finding a suitable partner but after 3 pairings time to get shut , one fancier told me you need to breed 3 rounds off a pair to see if any good as a pair , but simply small lofts cant do that and need to select very carefuly   but have noticed within the 3 rounds off a pair one pair of the ybs will be much better than the other two

[Guest WINGS 04]

i have got 3 new pairs of stock all 09 breed and i have put 2 pairs from my on l t stock 09 breed so i hope the i have 2% of good doo's to race

[Guest mick bowler]

Nearly all my stock is new, and from many different sources and strains, with sprint, middle and long types, hard day pigeons and blow home pigeons. The idea is to create my own family that will all blend together into a family that will fly into my area, from 100 miles to 400 miles and then maybe a few 500-600 milers!

 

Let you know in a few years if it has worked, but won't be thru lack of effort!

[gulkie]

how can we condem any pairings ,when lots of us are left

at the start of every year with yearlings,

do we kill of our stock because their young are lost in bad

races , every year these days we have bad races.?

[Guest joshdonlan]

i think most fanciers, sell the good and keep the very best  

[Guest devonred]

Mac1 has sent me down 4 birds superb specimens if they don,t breed the goods il run naked down the highstreet lol :)

[OLDYELLOW]

Mac1 has sent me down 4 birds superb specimens if they don,t breed the goods il run naked down the highstreet lol :)

 

ill post it on utube  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest frank dooman]

i was very lucky to get an egg late on off hotrod the same way bred as the riems nat winner he gave me a full sister before but i was very unlucky that the hawk got that hen, but not before she bred me a sec winner a combine winner and another bird that done the channell twice in good time thats 3 out of 4 bred off her  thanks very much Stuart

[Guest stb-]

Tony what % of good pigeons do you think you have in your Loft .Take time and review the contents of your breeding books and the pigeons you have purchased.Over a 2 year period how many are left and you will find the answer to the 98% Shi-te Rule.

Keep clear of aged stock birds that guys are off-loading and if they were any good they would not be for sale.

 

not always true m8  why would good fanciers keep  birds to that age if they were not good in the first place,   also when your loft is full of progeny of your top older birds

 

and you have replaced them with younger proven breeders is it not better to let someone have them as dispossing of them :-/

 

 

[budgie]

how can we condem any pairings ,when lots of us are left

at the start of every year with yearlings,

do we kill of our stock because their young are lost in bad

races , every year these days we have bad races.?

Wullie you will know the pairs that are leaving your yearlings .If after 2 seasons at club level and there is nothing left (for us they would be disposed off ) Distance Pigeons are a different kettle of Fish and shoud be allowed that little bit longer.( 3-4 years)

 

 

[budgie]

not always true m8  why would good fanciers keep  birds to that age if they were not good in the first place,   also when your loft is full of progeny of your top older birds

 

and you have replaced them with younger proven breeders is it not better to let someone have them as dispossing of them :-/

 

Stb

I agree with your coments but hand on heart who do you know lets proven pre-potent pairs go.Check this weeks pigeon journal and look at the ages they are trying to of load.If they are no use to them why buy.

 

 

 

[Guest KING BILLY]

With the New Breeding Season nearly upon us have you manged to aquire any exceptional Stock to improve your lines.We have managed to Acquire 6- latebreds 2 of which are directly from 2 SNFC Silver Award winners 1 from SNFC Silver Award winner 1 from 2nd Sect 5th Open Winner and 2 from 2nd Sect 6th Open Winner all with the SNFC.Its surprising even with  these new winning lines that the 98%  rule will still apply, and remember successful fanciers leave no stone unturned to achieve success.

 

its grait that you have the capabilitey to aquire or buy these doos andy but you still have to rember the avereg doo mans ways and needs is not the same as each other and only can  with what there meens can provied so in this day and age the succesful fanciers seam to be the ones that can buy in the best of doos lofts and maneg ment they can be beat but it dose take the alot more time and evert to get there so i think your are a bit unfair to say that 98% of every ones stock doos are crap if the avereg man can get in amonst the winers with the doos of there stock  birds now and again who has the right to say 98% are crap and if you stuck to the 98% you would have to keep buying in every 2 years because whe would have nothing left and thats 100%  and just remember whare theres muck thars money ;D ;D

[Chris Little]

Always striving to continually improve the strength of the breeding shed....

 

Back in 1997 we acquired 3 latebreds from my master...... they have all bred Scottish national winners, 100% strike rate  

[Guest stb-]

Stb

I agree with your coments but hand on heart who do you know lets proven pre-potent pairs go.Check this weeks pigeon journal and look at the ages they are trying to of load.If they are no use to them why buy.

 

 

i know a few people who do let older proven birds go when they have replaced them with younger birds.  To me you need to move forward  with good younger stock,

 

would aggree most of these older birds are prob no use to anyone, but still cant understand fanciers keeping birds over a few years old that have not produced. the 2 year whellie bin rule should apply, ;)

 

 

[kirky]

i always bring 1or 2 new stock birds in to try out against my own, i let my older stock birds go even proven breeders as i have sons and daughters at stock, sent 2 pairs up scotland last year that bred 1st Ayrshire fed plus several 1st clubs.

[budgie]

 

its grait that you have the capabilitey to aquire or buy these doos andy but you still have to rember the avereg doo mans ways and needs is not the same as each other and only can  with what there meens can provied so in this day and age the succesful fanciers seam to be the ones that can buy in the best of doos lofts and maneg ment they can be beat but it dose take the alot more time and evert to get there so i think your are a bit unfair to say that 98% of every ones stock doos are crap if the avereg man can get in amonst the winers with the doos of there stock  birds now and again who has the right to say 98% are crap and if you stuck to the 98% you would have to keep buying in every 2 years because whe would have nothing left and thats 100%  and just remember whare theres muck thars money ;D ;D

Tam all i am saying is that only 2% are any good as we discussed earlier solving the Worlds problems.How many and from what source have you brought in to add to your successfull team and would you buy Aged Stock Birds.

 

 

[Guest KING BILLY]

Tam all i am saying is that only 2% are any good as we discussed earlier solving the Worlds problems.How many and from what source have you brought in to add to your successfull team and would you buy Aged Stock Birds.

 

am at lidals and your are at marks and spencers ;D ;D ;D i would buy any age doos within my buget and where up to my high standerds ;)

 

 

[budgie]

am at lidals and your are at marks and spencers ;D ;D ;D i would buy any age doos within my buget and where up to my high standerds ;)

 

How many have you brought in since the end of your very successfull season and how many do you think will make the grade.

 

 

[Guest KING BILLY]

How many have you brought in since the end of your very successfull season and how many do you think will make the grade.

 

ot topic am no hining out my dirty washing ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thers 1 thing i doo know you and wee smarty are the big buyers and am in the poor relastions but on the spot i will say in the last 5 year i have only spent about £500 on doos compared to your £25000 so if that what it takes to win the fed averges that rouls me out i will just have to setel for runers up spot ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[BLACK W F]

dont have to buy big to win often the best whats given free