overcrowding birds Blackpool

[DOVEScot]

Whats the point in getting in touch with you ?? ,you have all criticised this man without a word of reply yet , you have all critised the health of these birds and where is the evidence , i find it hard to believe you all found it unacceptable yet did little or nothing , all you have done is discuss it on here and mouth off about how bad things were , these birds were inspected on both days several times by the powers that be and the sellar was not criticised or repremanded once , people like you critics will be the finish of the blackpool show and then you will have somthing to moan about .

 

Were you at the show Badgeman and if so did you see the birds and the stand we are all referring too?

You seem to be defending this trader rather than joining in with what everyone else seen with their own eyes.

I think in hind sight a lot more could have been done but I think that will be the last year this trader or any other like him gets away with it. That is the great thing about forums we all discuss issues that concern us and learn for the future, I don't think taking this to the RSPB or RSPCA would do the show any good as it would be blown out of all proportion and used in their propaganda machine as they are anti pigeon in a lot of their views. I think we should all learn how to report these findings to the right people and in the correct manner before any show so that if needed something is done.

If some see this standard of trading as acceptable then there may be a few other stands trying to sell birds in these conditions because there was not a shortage of buyers who allowed him to trade over the weekend

 

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

 

Chelmsford ???????????? ,never heard of the place .

 

it very nice there have been few times   8) 8) 8) 8)

[Guest lenwadebob]

hello hello , just to repeat myself ----------- i did not go to the blackpool show ???

 

 

You are hardly in a position to comment on the situation as you were not there. My evidence has got a far better chance of being listened to as I saw it. Just what is your point, or was he selling birds for you, or maybe you are on commission.

[badgeman]

 

You are hardly in a position to comment on the situation as you were not there. My evidence has got a far better chance of being listened to as I saw it. Just what is your point, or was he selling birds for you, or maybe you are on commission.

 

Thats the point ,you dont have any evidence just your word ?.

[p charlton]

 

Thats the point ,you dont have any evidence just your word ?.

 

you most the bloke who was selling the birds you would not be acting like this for someone else

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

Thats the point ,you dont have any evidence just your word ?.

 

........... and the word of hundreds of others. Personally I think you are a disgrace to the hobby for condoning the barbaric trading of pigeons like this "stud" was (D & T Lofts Stand 93). And also a disgrace as a member of this site where people love and care for their pigeons. My last word on this, I will allow the right authorities deal with this now.

[pjc]

 

Chelmsford ???????????? ,never heard of the place .

 

e's nearer Ross bird sales!

[badgeman]

 

........... and the word of hundreds of others. Personally I think you are a disgrace to the hobby for condoning the barbaric trading of pigeons like this "stud" was (D & T Lofts Stand 93). And also a disgrace as a member of this site where people love and care for their pigeons. My last word on this, I will allow the right authorities deal with this now.

 

I notice that you are using the pigeonbasics.net rip off site so you have no loyalty to this site ,says it all .

[Guest bakes]

 

I notice that you are using the pigeonbasics.net rip off site so you have no loyalty to this site ,says it all .

 

whats that got to do with the subject im on pigeon globe,pigeon chat,pigeon basics.net,racing pigeon show fancy forum as well as a few more as well as this site at the end of the day the only thing im bovered about is the views i seen on the stand at blackpool.

[maverick]

I think us all on here are more for the welfare of the birds and it was clear for all to see these birds were not getting the proper care or attention they needed being kept in the way they were

[gorsy bank lofts]

Regardless of what bridgeman says, the RPRA have accepted that there was a problem with this Guy. Mr Bils has admitted this to me on the telephone today. The Members of the RPRA should now be prepared to put a stop to this sort of thing. Why not do the same as me and ring up and lodge a complaint with either the General Secretary or the President?

 

i have e-mailed and kept copy

he is aware that if the same situation arises next yr

i will personally inform the rspca and dfra.

 

balls in there court.

[Guest frank dooman]

i have read through all the posts on here and agree that it is something that should not have been allowed to happen but it has the big thing is that it should not be alowed to ever happen again at this show or any other show but the big factor here as has been said if we fanciers didnt buy from them they wouldnt be there yes lets put pressure on our officals but thats no good unless we all boycot the likes of thease scum bags so we are at fault for buying from them just as a matter of interist is there any body on here brave eough to come on and tell us they bought something from him?

[bibendium]

Well with this heat and wind from the Channel we have had a Hard but good race with a cracking Blue WF Cock Of   D  &  T Lofts out in front got to be well up in the Fed.

 

RPRA - One Loft Yearling Race 2009 - Lessay Final Result...

 

Results Date:Saturday 30 May 2009

 

Ring No. Time Owner

 

1. GB08F39804 11:56:37 D & T Lofts  ,

is this the same lofts mentioned in the posts here , if it is maybe go some way to explaining RPRA not doing anything at the show.

[aye ready]

i personally took a glancing look at these birds because they would never interest me in the first place because i can remember him from when he was down in the horseshoe,this time though from what i saw the birds apart from the rollers/tipplers or whatever breed they were from what i can remember were predominantely white and looked very dirty,but idid notice a trough of feeding if you could call it that on 1 crate but no water and the indian fantails at the end of the stalls tails were emerald green probably with not being fed,now what worries me is that there is a few media groups that cover the show national and independent and god help our image if this stall was filmed for future broadcasting.i like the majority on the site was probably wise after the horse had bolted if you get my meaning

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

I notice that you are using the pigeonbasics.net rip off site so you have no loyalty to this site ,says it all .

 

As a meercat the fact that I have a LOYALTY to the welfare and well being of pigeons which is the issue of this debate, something you seem to be sadly lacking. The fact that I am a member of many other pigeon forums is totally irrelevant to the topic of conversation.

 

Shimple really...... Compare the market .COM

[pjc]

Who noticed a D & T Lofts join the forum?

 

Sure they'll put there side of the story!

[p charlton]

lol  D and T Lofts, joined the forum read this post and said nowt what a disgrace

[Guest joshdonlan]

is this link about them also http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/v-print/m-1251704784/

[pjc]

is this link about them also http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/v-print/m-1251704784/

 

yes

[Guest joshdonlan]

did you have concerns last year then pjc?

[pjc]

Last year I was only there for a meeting on Sunday morning as my wife was in hospital but a guy was on another forum asking about birds he had purchased from Blackpool!

It turned out he got the from D&T Lofts, they told him not to worry about transfers and it wasn't until after he got home he realised the ring numbers had been ground off!

 

Hense the thread back in August.

[Guest lenwadebob]

is this link about them also http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/v-print/m-1251704784/

 

Yes mate and look who responded and asked to talk in pm and answer any queries   ;D ;D ;D ;D    JOKER

[p charlton]

 

Yes mate and look who responded and asked to talk in pm and answer any queries  ;D ;D ;D ;D JOKER

 

not got the balls to talk what gets me most as well not looking after the birds is taking the rins of ive had my birds nicked 3 times you never know makes me sick

 

[D and T Lofts]

Reference to derogatory and insulting comments on this pigeon website, concerning my attendance at the Blackpool show 2010!

It has come to my attention a small number of individuals have took it upon themselves to make WILD accusations publicly over the internet, that I find deeply offensive! 1 of these being that I have tampered & removed rings from show racers in particular!

These pigeons were purchased in the last 2 years from a show racer fancier, who not wishing to show against his own birds, had either removed or de-faced the rings himself so as this couldn't happen! This is his own perogative as far as i'm concerned as the birds were his own property at the time! Should these accusations continue, then I shall be seeking legal advice against the person or persons concerned!

 

Also the tag "FEATHER MERCHANT" & I buy & sell on pigeon trader has also been said........MORE COMPLETE & UTTER RUBBISH! I have never used pigeon trader ever for either purpose, so do your research & get your FACTS RIGHT!!!!!

 

Now the main accusation being the "welfare of my pigeons".

I put a collossal amount of time, money & effort into keeping my pigeons in excellent condition and good health, as anyone who knows me personally will tell you!

The fact I keep a lot of pigeons is as far as I am concerned MY BUSINESS & MY BUSINESS ONLY!!!

 

I am a pigeon fancier who loves his hobby, who simply tried to meet demand this year at Blackpool, with various breeds of birds or birds that were ordered or asked for!

At NO time for the whole of the show were any & I mean without exception, any of my birds without water or food in front of them at all times! The birds were not left in individual boxes for the duration but placed in crates (LARGE racing crates) & were constantly being moved, to prevent birds from overheating!

 

It is not to my advantage to look after birds all year round, then abuse them for 2 days at the show!

 

These individuals clearly have absolutely no idea at all what time & effort goes into preparing & setting up all our stalls to provide the show that everyone looks forward to!

 

Perhaps these individuals should have spoken to me about these concerns in a gentlemanly fashion, to which I would have been more than happy to discuss their concerns in a civil manner, instead of them running home & HIDING BEHIND THEIR LAPTOPS!!!!

 

These self appointed officials should perhaps, if they don't want to talk to me about their concerns, then talk to the proper show officials & bring them to my stand, as I have absolutely nothing to hide whatsoever!!

 

Did any of you extremely concerned fanciers even bother to count how many birds were in my crates.......CLEARLY NOT or do you have trouble counting to 10 as not 1 of you have mentioned a number!!!

 

Before you label all my birds rubbish, you should try doing some research, as 2 years ago I bred & entered the R.P.R.A one loft ACE PIGEON & this year another bird of mine, not only won the R.P.R.A one loft race from Lessay by approximately 8 minutes but also topped the Severn Valley Federation at the same time! That's against some of the best lofts in the country so again try some research before you shoot your mouths off, which is something your all very good at on this forum!!!

 

Whilst I take it most or all of you concerned fanciers are racing men perhaps you should consider your birds in full up transporters on a hot sunny day in the middle of summer, in their thousands, only getting water & food when the lorry stops, whilst you sit back enjoying your cold beers, before you start accusing me of cruelty & inconsiderate behaviour towards my own pigeons!!

 

Perhaps you should ask yourselves what's the problem between my birds being in crates for 1 weekend of the year, whilst your birds are crated every weekend for racing!!!!!!

 

Quite frankly this all STINKS of hypocrisy, never mind pigeon droppings! Perhaps that's what the smell was, that the lady detected on my stands........"HYPOCRITS".

 

Reference has been made to lots of pigeons being sold, what the hell do you lot think i'm up there for, after spending alot of money for my pitch OR do I smell alot of GREEN EYED MONSTERS on & around my stand! Maybe the lady in question could smell them also!!!

 

I thought the idea of going to the Blackpool show was to look at various birds & products NOT run around playing detectives on fellow fanciers or are some of you, wanna-be police officers??

Perhaps you should leave all that to the proper officials & just enjoy your weekend!

 

Many thanks to Tumley Lofts for their comments about last years show! I did wonder how they managed to water & feed their birds that they left in carrying boxes behind their stands til at least Sunday morning! PERHAPS PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROUGH STONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last year when we were next to them, as they have mentioned we were extremely busy, as we were this year, SURELY not sour grapes!!!! ( No offense meant of course, like yourselves)

 

Also to the gent who says he will let our pigeons out next year, we'll see how far he gets with that one, won't we!!!!!!!!!!

 

KIRKY, next year I will be back with a lot of beautiful yellow kirkpatricks & chocolates all bred by myself.......please don't attempt to buy any as you are NOT welcome on my stand, after your unjustified comments about my birds in show pens!!

 

To the lady who claims I told you to "f off", I can only imagine it was either your husband, partner or someone close to you that was being extremely rude to me at the time & the comment would have been directed at him, certainly not at you as that is NOT in my nature!

 

Finally to you ALL...........it's SIMPLE.......if you don't like my birds just don't buy them!

 

Perhaps next year I will try selling some girly handbags & high-heeled shoes as I feel these products may be better suited for some of you!!! Who knows, I may even throw in some lipstick!!!

 

This will be my one & only response to your comments so have a pleasant evening & enjoy your witch hunt!!!!!!!!!!!

Look forward to seeing you all next year.

D and T Lofts

[pjc]

At least you admit to selling birds that are not yours!   :-/