overcrowding birds Blackpool

[pjc]

  I have bought birds from this man over a lot of years as have hundreds of others and never had an ill one , i can vouch for how he treats his birds with nothing but kindness , yes i know him but i was accused of being the seller i think ,which is a different thing , i will back this man all the way if needs be , i can trust him not to stab me in the back when i turn round ? unlike you i wouldnt trust you as far as i could throw you ,i remember not long ago you were in contact with me lokking for birds from the same seller ? , how the world changes . i have definately changed my opinion of some contributers to  this post making a judgement of a person that they dont know or even met but there ya go thats pigeon fanciers for you ,thank god not all fanciers are the same , keep your green eyes peeled PJC ,

 

Check the thread back in August, It wasn't me wanting birds from him it was somebody he had sold birds to that he had ground the ring numbers off as you will know if you check your old pm's but you were very defensive of him at that point as well!

[Novice]

is this the man that had unrung white rapidos

and about 20 crates full packed of diff breeds

 

I think so and of course unrung means no proof of ownership.

 

 

[p charlton]

is it ok to sell unrung birds at blacpool these birds could be stolen or anything

[blaz]

  I have bought birds from this man over a lot of years as have hundreds of others and never had an ill one , i can vouch for how he treats his birds with nothing but kindness , yes i know him but i was accused of being the seller i think ,which is a different thing , i will back this man all the way if needs be , i can trust him not to stab me in the back when i turn round ? unlike you i wouldnt trust you as far as i could throw you ,i remember not long ago you were in contact with me lokking for birds from the same seller ? , how the world changes . i have definately changed my opinion of some contributers to  this post making a judgement of a person that they dont know or even met but there ya go thats pigeon fanciers for you ,thank god not all fanciers are the same , keep your green eyes peeled PJC ,

 

you say nothing but kindness .how can this be when he has them rammed in baskets for 2 days at-least .it has been said the smell from them was a bit strong the birds where in poor condition ect .

[pjc]

is it ok to sell unrung birds at blacpool these birds could be stolen or anything

 

The show is also still under DEFRA which would require a record of ring numbers and vendors details to be kept i beleive, but they probably wern't!

[Guest spin cycle]

It's a double edged sword, the stall holder will be trying to recoup his £1000 for his stall and the organisers will be trying to get as many £1000 stalls as they can. Once the organisers make their break point all other income is profit and they will just be happy to rake it in as long as they can. That stall was the worst of the worst but even studs like Louella had birds under hot strip lighting gasping for air and nothing in the drinkers if they had any at all.

Even humans were gasping for air in some halls, is this a new thing or what has been happening for years, I think not :-/

 

sounds like money/greed is the problem and if thats not bad enough the money raised does not even stay in the fancy. i occasionally work with event organisers and they normally have someone in charge of stallholders. they wander round checking everything/one is ok. i've never been to blackpool show but my mates say i should go. however the impression i'm getting is of a smelly/hot venue with 'feather merchants' everywhere...great  (dizzy)

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

sounds like money/greed is the problem and if thats not bad enough the money raised does not even stay in the fancy. i occasionally work with event organisers and they normally have someone in charge of stallholders. they wander round checking everything/one is ok. i've never been to blackpool show but my mates say i should go. however the impression i'm getting is of a smelly/hot venue with 'feather merchants' everywhere...great  (dizzy)

 

I think that is a cause for concern, the description of ONE BAD STALLHOLDER, has given you and others that impression, and therefore the overall picture of the show and it's stallholders, get tarred with the same brush. A CASE OF ONE BAD APPLE, comes to mind.

[Guest Owen]

Regardless of what bridgeman says, the RPRA have accepted that there was a problem with this Guy. Mr Bils has admitted this to me on the telephone today. The Members of the RPRA should now be prepared to put a stop to this sort of thing. Why not do the same as me and ring up and lodge a complaint with either the General Secretary or the President?

[pjc]

Regardless of what bridgeman says, the RPRA have accepted that there was a problem with this Guy. Mr Bils has admitted this to me on the telephone today. The Members of the RPRA should now be prepared to put a stop to this sort of thing. Why not do the same as me and ring up and lodge a complaint with either the General Secretary or the President?

 

I e-mailed him, reply as follows:-

 

Thank you for the message. I have made a note for next year. The RPRA President spoke to D&T Lofts at the Show and sorted the matter out.

[simon scholfield]

never seen as many birds packed in crates it reminded me of some kind of third world market place, birds were battered round heads fantails , all unclean even the ones fronting his stall , sun heard him telling amate somebody had complained and how he told them to off,pigeon dealer definately not fancier also cruel bstd

[blaz]

 

I e-mailed him, reply as follows:-

 

Thank you for the message. I have made a note for next year. The RPRA President spoke to D&T Lofts at the Show and sorted the matter out.

 

if like he said it was sorted out how come none of you guys noticed any difference. the old saying one bad apple spoils the barrel.

[duncandoo]

  I have bought birds from this man over a lot of years as have hundreds of others and never had an ill one , i can vouch for how he treats his birds with nothing but kindness , yes i know him but i was accused of being the seller i think ,which is a different thing , i will back this man all the way if needs be , i can trust him not to stab me in the back when i turn round ? unlike you i wouldnt trust you as far as i could throw you ,i remember not long ago you were in contact with me lokking for birds from the same seller ? , how the world changes . i have definately changed my opinion of some contributers to  this post making a judgement of a person that they dont know or even met but there ya go thats pigeon fanciers for you ,thank god not all fanciers are the same , keep your green eyes peeled PJC ,

 

for someone who has never kept pigeons you sure bought a lot of birds from him as you previously said you are not a truthful man

[grizzal]

Are D&T lofts members on here,may be wrong,may be differant people

but did notice that name on new members joined  :-/

sorry if mentioned before.

[badgeman]

I said i dont keep raceing pigeons ? ,i have kept tumblers for over forty years but compared to you DUCANDOO i am still an amatuer , where did i say that i have NEVER kept pigeons ,time to go to specsavers .

[Novice]

I wonder how the RPRA President could possibly condone selling unrung birds?

[Guest lenwadebob]

I said i dont keep raceing pigeons ? ,i have kept tumblers for over forty years but compared to you DUCANDOO i am still an amatuer , where did i say that i have NEVER kept pigeons ,time to go to specsavers .

 

But you did say you have dealt with this man many times in the past, and if you think the way in which he presented his birds at Blackpool, filthy dirty, packed into crates, piled high, and smelling, then I think it is time you and all the other fools who purchased from him need to go to specsavers. A BL00DY DISGRACE TO THE HOBBY/SPORT OF PIGEON KEEPING.

[DOVEScot]

 

if like he said it was sorted out how come none of you guys noticed any difference. the old saying one bad apple spoils the barrel.

 

It was not sorted as far as I could see, it was still like that on Sunday afternoon and even worse as the birds had even more crap to stand in and the heat and the smell in the hall was worse. It did not stop the sales that was for sure despite all that, this guy or any other vendor only survivives when people pay for what they have. It makes you wonder when you give birds away at times where they might end up, I have seen pigeons go for less than a pound each at poultry and bird sales maybe ending up in cages like this for £25 each it makes you wonder :-/

 

Were you at Blackpool Blaz?

[blaz]

no was not their it just pi.st me off to hear their was birds their in crammed smelly conditions .as i said early on one bad apple spoils the barrel. tougher control next year i hope

[swilcox]

Just to bring a little sense to this arguement, there are in place Defra rules for pigeons, cows, sheep etc and these rules are applied to shows and as in our case Bird Gatherings. If you read the rules in full you will see that they are unworkable unless you can identify and record an idividual pigeon, where its come from and where it is going and you can only do this if the bird is rung with an individual ring. Cows are Stamped, Pigeons are rung so to me an unrung pigeon cannot be sold at a bird gathering under defra rules!!

[joe61]

you all come on here to conplain about the poor state pigeons were kept in one one or two stands did none of you know how to use a mobile phone to call the RSPCA or was that to much trouble

 

oh happy days

[BLACK W F]

you all come on here to conplain about the poor state pigeons were kept in one one or two stands did none of you know how to use a mobile phone to call the RSPCA or was that to much trouble

 

oh happy days

 

where you not there Joe you could have phoned now you got the hang of how to use it  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[joe61]

no not there alan but would have done the decent thing if i had seen them in distress

 

oh happy days

[BLACK W F]

no not there alan but would have done the decent thing if i had seen them in distress

 

oh happy days

 

WELL I WAS HAVING A PINT  ;D ;D ;D

[pigeonpete]

 

WELL I WAS HAVING A PINT  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

or 5  

[joe61]

 

WELL I WAS HAVING A PINT  ;D ;D ;D

 

im realy impressed alan

 

oh happy days