Fair Play Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 It's so simple just like the tv if you don't like the programme change the channel if you don't fancy the birds move to another post i am sure most fanciers can make up their own minds I would hate to see pigeonbasics turned into a forum of "Mary Whitehouses" it's all about your freedom buy or not buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pigeondave Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 It's so simple just like the tv if you don't like the programme change the channel if you don't fancy the birds move to another post i am sure most fanciers can make up their own minds I would hate to see pigeonbasics turned into a forum of "Mary Whitehouses" it's all about your freedom buy or not buy agree with you 100% there mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Fine, both Fair Play and Pigeon Dave, and a few others of course I respect your views, and your entitlement to view and hold them. However I must ask that you please remember these posts of yours, because sadly - I have no doubt - you will be asked to recall them to mind. Indeed, I daresay, quite a few times when similar threads and views are posted, especialy when lesser mortals and non names are calledto account via such as your selves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Are these the same birds that are on Pipa at the moment the winners & Ace Pigeons. I don't think so Al, thought these were from the Dutch loft, the PIPA one is the German loft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fair Play Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Ones opinion on the site is not always correct no matter what you say it's your own perception of what you do rightly or wrongly. When Bob Champion won the Grand National on Aldaniti the horse was written off as a cripple and Bob would never ride again because of cancer both proved the doubter TOTALLY wrong sometimes it's better to say nothing than foist "opinions" on others because that's what they are opinions. Stuart (don't know him) intimated some were fast others not so, whats to say there is not a National Winner in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swilcox Posted November 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Tony W i dont really know what the virus was and i draw a comparison to ybs as we also know little about that too. But what i do know is tests were done on all birds and invected pigeons were removed and they were tested again before they were allowed there freedom so the government donw a pretty thorough job. The 1st to to 200 placed birds were sold on an Open Auction on the Internet and pigeons from that sale went to Ireland, England, Holland, Germany and Belguim. TonyW was that sale also wrong as not one single person complained about that?? What i wrote didnt actually apply to you it was aimed at the person who said these birds didnt go to the race!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 i wonder how Manny pigeon experts, had and refused the said birds if there not wanted in Holland all 200 of them for :D25 euros is that telling us something, even the novices of Holland have an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swilcox Posted November 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Bigda they were first offered here only due to my contacts, the Dutch Fanciers wont even be aware of them until next week. A few people are putting there angle on this and blowing it out pf proportion. So for the last time, i heard these pigeons were going to offered for sale, Raymond who was Loft manager at the race looked at them and said they were in lovely health and condition so i posted the thread to give pb members access to a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Bigda they were first offered here only due to my contacts, the Dutch Fanciers wont even be aware of them until next week. A few people are putting there angle on this and blowing it out pf proportion. So for the last time, i heard these pigeons were going to offered for sale, Raymond who was Loft manager at the race looked at them and said they were in lovely health and condition so i posted the thread to give pb members access to a good deal. i hear what your saying, but that will be first for me if the pigeon experts of holland and about, dont know what there left hand is doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 For starters, once the birds constition is damaged, so is the birds in my belief full stop. Simple as that. Just like a cup that is brimfull you can't add anything to. Likewise, regardless if symtoms don't show any damage, it is because what is left is arguably not full or shows no signs, and appears cured. Yes may well do that. However Samonella and Herpes Virus Paratyphus, ETC. need extra tests that are very rarelt done, or many can't. YET this are often the ones that are carried undected. I, like you, have no idea whether ant autopsies, or certain other tests needed were carried out. Hence that is no more that 'Blind Faith' and at best conjecture on behalf of those 'Wishing and Hoping'. Yes that is their choice... as long as no one in my Fed etc. buys them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 For starters, once the birds constition is damaged, so is the birds in my belief full stop. Simple as that. Just like a cup that is brimfull you can't add anything to. Likewise, regardless if symtoms don't show any damage, it is because what is left is arguably not full or shows no signs, and appears cured. Yes may well do that. However Samonella and Herpes Virus Paratyphus, ETC. need extra tests that are very rarelt done, or many can't. YET this are often the ones that are carried undected. I, like you, have no idea whether ant autopsies, or certain other tests needed were carried out. Hence that is no more that 'Blind Faith' and at best conjecture on behalf of those 'Wishing and Hoping'. Yes that is their choice... as long as no one in my Fed etc. buys them. if people in your fed got some of those birds roland, you would be none the wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swilcox Posted November 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 The reasons the birds were kept in was all those tests were done and more, and the results took a while to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fair Play Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 If people are so hellfired up in proposing that these birds are carryuing all sorts of "maladies" why don't they buy one get it tested for our behalf THEN if positive tell us I told you so. Until then please don't keep posting negatives as it is all supposition and what do they say about that -Suppositiont is the mother of all F---U-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 ...as long as no one in my Fed etc. buys them. Isn't that a sad fact Mark... hence why hoping :-/ ;D ;D Any way I off to Dereham to do a Fund - raiser and feel that I personally - yet again have exhausted my views, thoughts and fears. So hopefully, to amke a change, I will be able to read and not bother to post on this subject any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swilcox Posted December 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 I will seek legal advice on that last post as i believe thats slander and deframtion of my charactor and i will not tolerate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 STUART WILCOX IS A DEAD STRAIGHT GUY AND IM VERY SURPRISED BY sh** AIMED AT HIM .....HE HAS HELPED MORE THAN A FEW MEMBERS AND I FOR 1 BACK HIS JUDGEMENT 100%.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 If indeed these birds were a risk no vet would issue a bill of health to ship them that im certain they wouldnt put there livelyhood on the line for a few signed documents , if the goverment thought they were a problem they would of all been culled not given the all clear to race , and they wouldnt leave where they are now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 I THINK YOU WILL FIND THEY ACT QUICKER IN HOLLAND UNLIKE HERE WITH ANYTHING TO DO WITH PIGEONS AND THEY WOULD ALL BE DEAD IF THEY WERE INFECTED.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 well ive read all the post and my opinion of stuarts integrity has not changed .............and 2 answer can i guarantee there health then id say id trust the dutch vets who i believe have given them a clean bill of health and as there pigeon vets are the best ill go with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 i could understand all this if you where going to buy some xtccock but you ain t going to buy any so why dont you just leave it at that and let people who want to buy the birds buy them surely if theres anything wrong with the birds that are bough the forum members will be online to let people know i wouldnt be expecting any problems with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 NO BUT NEITHER CAN YOU!!! BUT I DONT NEED TO DEFEND STUART HE IS BIG ENOUGH TO DO IT HIMSELF....AS FOR TELLING PEOPLE 2 SHUT UP ARE THEY NOT ENTITLED 2 THERE OPINION OR IS ONLY YOURS THAT COUNTS ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CREBAG Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Are you a good un then or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 IM AFRAID WORKS CALLING SO I MUST LEAVE YOU 2 IT.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swilcox Posted December 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Hey Gangster who are you calling ugly?? This was me on the back of the evening post last week, i think i look handsome ;D ;D ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 can you tell us anything thats bad about them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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