Treatment

[Hillstreetblues48]

Obviously u don’t just look at my results clown

I think it's you that's needing treatment pmsl

[novo10]

I think it's you that's needing treatment pmsl

😂😂😂😂😂

[Delboy]

LOL Jakie so you implying how little Novo10 knows then! :emoticon-0136-giggle:

I presume you know him then!

 

Roland, Novo is a top notch Scottish fancier with many, many top results from all distances, club,fed and national. I feel ye could be getting kidded on here a wee bit .

[Roland]

Roland, Novo is a top notch Scottish fancier with many, many top results from all distances, club,fed and national. I feel ye could be getting kidded on here a wee bit .

 

Never said he wasn't, nor implied as such! (I just suggested more than what he gives me credit for … Oh I know I shouldn't, I should take the jibe and shut up. Then they will spout 'He soon shut up eh lol... No way, never have, nor hopefully ever will!).

 

So I just took the view of the overplayed adage when one doesn't like a post, are something said, but are struggling to put another side to the equation. ( Maybe they are worried that they are wrong? or I am right lol)Then stupid and classless saying then of 'Just WHAT have you done. As if it is a put me down etc. Next, it is probably 'put up Or Shut up' eh!

A. WHAT! B. haven't you got anything to offer. Care or is one offering.

 

Maybe Novo10 is a class act. I never said he wasn't. Just 'Tongue in cheek reply. Then another one in reply to Jakie. Self-praise is no praise, and I know a swallow doesn't make a summer... But I've had many swallows and set many 'Firsts in many regards. Not only in this sport either. But I am content. No wish, nor ever wanted a pat on the back. I know what I've achieved etc.

Mind didn't think they would sob in their drink lol.

 

A complete idiot as a top dog of Tesco's enlightened me once said 'We spend £Millions on Market research … But anybody, even an idiot can walk into the store and say 'Why don't you do such and such, or so and so'? And we ashamedly say 'Why didn't I think of that!

Also in sports, tell me how many champions make good trainers IN all sports. Angelo Dundee never put a glove on like so many others...

 

 

Now to end this, the jibe of putting off others etc. as I was accused of... and I apologise too, is that they are doing precisely what I'm being accused of doing! Just think of how many may have been, or are reading this. And saying 'If that is how they treat one (Like Roly is lol) do they think I am going to post! I should cocoa.

Edited October 30, 2018 by Roland

[novo10]

Am sorry too Roland

[Roland]

First pint on me Novo10.

[paddymac]

Nice one guys, maybe we can get back on thread and hopefully more replies to Joe_b's question.

[Roland]

Agreed. Now I feel that we have 2 or 3 different era's that have had their own hassles with different ailments etc.

 

So I'll kick off if I may and state a couple of facts. Many won't agree very likely, some will, BUT all need to have a thought. Not only what to do, or not, nor also how, but why!

 

 

Cancer was more than a illogical rusty nail in the drinker … though many swore it gave their birds the extra all important iron.

 

So firstly it was often solved, or believable with a match and hence the Sulphur! Logical and time was when a match was put in their mouths and twirled and got a lot of canker wrapped around.

Now most birds in them days still flew the program for a few years, no sweat.

However, there are 32 or so different strains now. Fact. It is also very prevalent of over coming a treatment if used more than 2 - 3 times tops. So though the birds don't show much signs they may well have what is a deep rooted canker, so very, very hard to shift. Indeed very many other illnesses are blamed, but not canker!

We will and do hear regularly 'Weer I use ************* EVERY YEAR even TWO OR THREE TIMES! Works well for me, that's for sure....' YOU ARE VERY LIKELY, or there is a great possibility you are FEEDING IT! Enhancing it's strength! Was a good fancier on here who sadly has gone, but his son(s) are still on here. They know what I am about to say.

First I heard about this was John Bellerby, or Frank Tasker first, then John Bellerby who had problems with a bird that had gone off colour big time. He told frask Tasker, who also... anoter couple of National winner also told me the Same. Then a Vet writing for the rags was a friend of the dad of those two told him the same. Namely Ron .....

Only way to cure it is a full strength of Baytril and a full strength 'Ron's canker cure is the same!. Mix and given fresh for 5 days.

John was 1st or 2nd National 3 weeks later with that bird! Fact

 

So that's the how... many won't agree etc. Now the 'Why has canker, which is a yeast, like the Ladies 'Thrush' get so strong. Comercialism then Comercialism spread and strengthened it. No I don't for a moment believe a match will solve it. Nystain maybe. Nystatin mixed with Baytrill most likely. Often smile when I hear see the wonders of Brewers Yeast and wonder

Edited October 30, 2018 by Roland

[William Reid]

When do you treat your birds and what for what's best things on market to use

Let's here yer secrets

Was really looking forward to replys on this thread . And f.... Me I was not disappointed with the replays.

[Roland]

Marvellously cheap too.The most common cause of death among small children at the turn of the twentieth century used to be dehydration caused by diarrhea. Professor Ernst Moro, a paediatrician, found that he could lower the death rate dramatically about 1908 by feeding the children a simple carrot soup and this recipe became the standard regimen until the development of antibiotics at about 1940.

By far the major cause of diarrhea is an infection by micro-organisms that multiply in the intestines and excrete various toxins. This scenario causes an increase in intestinal motility and massive excretion of semi-digested food and fluids.

Dr. Moro had no idea why this simple soup was so beneficial. It took modern science to uncover the secret: Various pathogenic micro-organisms attach to receptors on the intestinal wall. The preparation of the carrot soup splits the sugars present in the carrots into very small oligosaccharides which in turn are very similar to the intestinal receptors. The pathogens attach to these oligo-saccharides and are safely excreted before they can cause any problems.

Although no longer used against diarrhoea in children this soup finds application against diarrhoea in various livestock and chicken. It may be beneficial to prevent "young bird sickness" and even treat it in its very early stages. It may also be used again against infections by antibiotic resistant micro-organisms.

Recipe for 40 pigeons:

1 kg diced carrots

2.5 l water

3 tsp. salt

Let the above simmer for 1.5 hrs. (this time is important) and divide the liquid into 3 equal portions. Use one portion in the drinker (mixed with the appropriate amount of water) for 3 consecutive days.

Should the birds already be sick it may be best to feed just some rolled oats for a few days instead of grain that may be too hard to digest.

 

I used to ALWAYS have some fresh onions in the loft.

 

In 1919 when the flu killed 40 million people there was this Doctor that visited the many farmers to see if he could help them combat the flu... Many of the farmers and their families had contracted it and many died.

The doctor came upon this one farmer and to his surprise, everyone was very healthy. When the doctor asked what the farmer was doing that was different the wife replied that she had placed an unpeeled onion in a dish in the rooms of the home, (probably only two rooms back then). The doctor couldn't believe it and asked if he could have one of the onions and place it under the microscope. She gave him one and when he did this, he did find the flu virus in the onion. It obviously absorbed the bacteria, therefore, keeping the family healthy.

Now, I heard this story from my hairdresser. She said that several years ago, many of her employees were coming down with the flu, and so were many of her customers. The next year she placed several bowls with onions around in her shop. To her surprise, none of her staff got sick. It must work. Try it and see what happens. We did it last year and we never got the flu.

Now there is a P. S. to this for I sent it to a friend in Oregon who regularly contributes material to me on health issues. She replied with this most interesting experience about onions:

Thanks for the reminder. I don't know about the farmer's story... but, I do know that I contacted pneumonia, and, needless to say, I was very ill. I came across an article that said to cut both ends off an onion put it into an empty jar, and place the jar next to the sick patient at night. It said the onion would be black in the morning from the germs...sure enough it happened just like that...the onion was a mess and I began to feel better.

Another thing I read in the article was that onions and garlic placed around the room saved many from the black plague years ago. They have powerful antibacterial, antiseptic properties.

This is the other note. Lots of times when we have stomach problems we don't know what to blame. Maybe it's the onions that are to blame. Onions absorb bacteria is the reason they are so good at preventing us from getting colds and flu and is the very reason we shouldn't eat an onion that has been sitting for a time after it has been cut open.

 

LEFT OVER ONIONS ARE POISONOUS!

 

I had the wonderful privilege of touring Mullins Food Products, Makers of mayonnaise. Questions about food poisoning came up, and I wanted to share what I learned from a chemist.

Ed, who was our tour guide, is a food chemistry whiz. During the tour, someone asked if we really needed to worry about mayonnaise. People are always worried that mayonnaise will spoil. Ed's answer will surprise you. Ed said that all commercially-made mayo is completely safe.

"It doesn't even have to be refrigerated. No harm in refrigerating it, but it's not really necessary." He explained that the pH in mayonnaise is set at a point that bacteria could not survive in that environment. He then talked about the summer picnic, with the bowl of potato salad sitting on the table, and how everyone blames the mayonnaise when someone gets sick.

Ed says that, when food poisoning is reported, the first thing the officials look for is when the 'victim' last ate ONIONS and where those onions came from (in the potato salad?). Ed says it's not the mayonnaise (as long as it's not home made mayo) that spoils in the outdoors. It's probably the ONIONS, and if not the onions, it's the POTATOES.

He explained onions are a huge magnet for bacteria, especially uncooked onions. You should never plan to keep a portion of a sliced onion.. He says it's not even safe if you put it in a zip-lock bag and put it in your refrigerator.

It's already contaminated enough just by being cut open and out for a bit, that it can be a danger to you (and doubly watch out for those onions you put in your hot dogs at the baseball park!). Ed says if you take the leftover onion and cook it like crazy you'll probably be okay, but if you slice that leftover onion and put on your sandwich, you're asking for trouble. Both the onions and the moist potato in a potato salad, will attract and grow bacteria faster than any commercial mayonnaise will even begin to break down.

Also, dogs should never eat onions. Their stomachs cannot metabolize onions.

Please remember it is dangerous to cut an onion and try to use it to cook the next day, it becomes highly poisonous for even a single night and creates toxic bacteria which may cause adverse stomach infections because of excess bile secretions and even food poisoning

[Roland]

Another reality that doesn't equate in any way to helping a bird by treatments etc.

 

 

Good Feathering

 

The importance of good feathering as a reflection of the quality of a pigeon can never be overemphasised. For every fancier the quality of the feather is a very good and immediate indication as to the quality of the pigeon. A good quality feather is the foundation stone for breeding the champion pigeon and a pigeon with poor feathers should never be considered for stock because good feathering is a reflection of both good breeding and good health.

 

The healthy feather is silky, flexible, strong and waterproof. These features are all important for efficient flight. The high oil content of the healthy feather gives it the silky feel. The silkier the feather the greater the lift due to the streamlining effect required for efficient flight. The dry feather we get with many illnesses means that there is less streamlining (over the body and wing) and more drag with a subsequent loss of lift and less efficient flight. More energy is required causing the bird to tire more quickly. The dry feather being less flexible means that the twisting motion of the end flights that gives forward thrust is lessened, which results in a slower bird. The dry feather is brittle and lacks the strength of the silky feather, wearing out by the time the long races, when flying efficiency is needed most. Dry feathers lack the waterproofing qualities of the oil laden silky feather and flying therefore becomes more difficult in wet weather.

 

The feathers of the racing pigeon in top form are tight and silky. The feathers covering the body further improve the aerodynamics. These contour feathers of the body and the cover over the wing and tail feathers of the bird in top form overlap each other very tightly to create a very smooth surface. We describe such a bird as having "tight" feather. During flight this very tight feather allows the moving air to flow smoothly and quickly over the body and wing surfaces in what we call "streamlines". "Streamlining" gives "lift" to the flying pigeon and is one of the reasons why it can fly for sustained periods without tiring. For whatever reason (health or breeding), poor quality feathers fail to form the tight smooth surface required for "streamlining" and efficient flight. When the surface is not perfectly smooth the air does not flow smoothly across the surface and creates air eddies and bubbles of turbulence. Turbulence has the effect of slowing the airflow over the wing and body surfaces that increases the "drag" or "resistance" and reduces the "lift". Therefore the bird with poor feathers flies slowly and requires more effort to stay aloft. The end result is a bird that tires sooner. A good feather is essential for racing performance because it is the basis of "lift".

 

Now can some one enlighten me how any one can get that from treating with …?

O.K. a drop of bleach in the drinker etc.

Indeed a poorly and even a sick bird can be 'Doctored' and given much to make it nigh win in the show pen … lasts only as long as the substance inside it though … So do it again, and again etc. I doubt it makes a winning bird though in a race.

 

Had a club mate - On the other hand - that was sent a hen bird from a very good, and knowledgeable fancier who had a good read at the time every week in the BHW.

Well to say he was disappointed is an understatement.

He could help it he said. I had to phone him and tell it how disappointed he was etc. He told him 'Fly! Fly, it would have a job to reach the top shelve'!

 

 

Reply was 'It's not suppose to be a flyer, BUT a good breeding hen'! then went on to explain that the blood / genes inbred to the best, and were absolutely superb for BREEDING only. So as I often say, Once inbred, then outcross for the vigour and racing. O.K. a very small percentage breed winners, BUT then it is in reality only a very small percentage that do!

Edited October 31, 2018 by Roland

[Roland]

Was really looking forward to replys on this thread . And f.... Me I was not disappointed with the replays.

 

Is but a shame William but it has dried up I guess.