Just put the birds out after 12 to clean them, when the starlings lifted, then so did the birds, next thing, Hen Peregrine chasing, started banging buckets, not even a chance, next think, bang away with one, 5 mins later she is back, ready to have another go, so I got a rocket out the shed, band goes the rocket with the birds, but it helped as she hopped it. The guy who is helping me with the birds couldn't believe it. So am still looking for the doo, unless its went to ground, who knows. :emoticon-0179-headbang: