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You are wrong hope that is clear enough Bruno lad! What you have posted is information for POULTRY PRODUCERS PRODUCING POULTRY FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Have to say Bruno lad bit disappointed in you misleading post

more crap I see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you standing for election to help the fed?

Thankfully Bruno lad, as I am sure you know pigeon salmonella infection (variant type copenhagen) is almost exclusive to our birds. I suppose we should be grateful for small "mercies"

I am afraid that is all part of being a doowumin or even more importantly just being a human being Rose. For instance people say there is no cure for a virus only SOME bacteria. Yet television is full of adverts at this time of year pleading with the suceptible to get the flu jab. Every year we are also ordered to jab our birds against para. Do you honestly believe that happens I can tell you now the answer is NO! The humble opinion of "me" is the rise of salmonella in our birds is directly connected with the rise in para reducing our birds REAL IMMUNE SYSTEM. Think about it once that virus is in THE BLOOD STREAM salmonella then gets a chance to run wild if the opportunity arises! Look after your birds people and sad as it seems somtimes protecting you birds will sometimes need the timeous administration of antibios treatment, All the best.

Know they don't they sometimes positvely discriminate in favour of bacteria you and "me" don't like. Hope this clears it up up for you!

Apoligies Rose if I have guessed wrong and this post is not aimed at "me", but I will answer anyway just in case if you don't mind! First point I have never heard of a vet telling a fancier to kill all his birds well or ill and to start again from scratch. In fact if you think about it telling you to do that and NOT START AGAIN would make more sense. Secondly - Anyone who uses antibiotics willy nilly is asking for trouble with their health and the health of their birds how could it be any other way? Thirdly - Anyone who refuses to seek or indeed accept intelligent advice from a vet when required , maybe banned from keeping animals (including birds) if this leads to the pain and suffering of the animals in his charge. By the way the last point is the law of the land. Think about it!

Don't think I said that so why you should post the above is a little tiresome to "me" as you are the second forum member to do something similar tonight. May I ask have you alwas had difficulty with comprehension?

This is a simple mans opinion formed over many years. The best birds you receive from another fancier will be a gift pigeon. Trust "me" I know!!

Thankfully mine has never told "me" that if I was you I would change doctor. Hope this helps!

This is by far the most intelligent post on this thread any time recently(apart from "me" of course!!!).

Lets get this one put to bed. There is a big difference between an animal's immune system and the bacteria in its gut. Once a pathogen has entered the blood stream any doctor who did not try to save their patient using "against life" treatment to help their patient could possibly be asking to be struck off. Or for that matter a charge of manslaughter! Hope thats cleared it up for you Rose! All the best with your doos health.

Overuse of antibiotics does not harm the human immune system either.

Just in case anyone gets confused by your language Rose, using antibiotics does not harm the birds immune system in any way.

Strike my last reply to you. Basic, only very basic mind, intelligence is needed to be able to learn. Sadly a "Darwin Award" is more likely for people like you.

You are never wrong Rose but you are right again!

Don't know how often I will have to say this don't put words in my mouth what you have posted above is fabrication. I am under no "impressions" or illusions for that matter i have kept the doos for longer than you have been alive and timed mare doos from across the water than you could ever dream of. Why don't you try reading and comprehending for a change you might learn something.

Talking of crap can't you just imagine telling your mates "never seen ma doo fae Rennes coming I was making a nice cup of tea at the time, thats the beauty of ets" Says it all ,sport is doomed.

Naw they are millons of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vic you have been honest and up front with everybody about the problems you have had. I know many well known fanciers have been less than forthright and instead have suddenly chosen to sell up their doos and get out when the going was good. You have my respect for the integrity you have shown in this matter!

John and Andy are two gentlemen Bruno lad, so I am sure you and your club mates would have a great as well as an informative night!

I we are as thick as mince!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

don't know what you are all worrying about ETS was used in Scotland for years without ANY rules with no problems!

Spot on Bruno lad exactly the point I was making earlier in the thread boiling kills most of the vits so if the birds are wanting to get anything from greens feed them a few leaves if they need it they will eat it, trust "me".