16oz depurative after morning exercise or training then fly for 1hr at 7:30pm call in they get 34oz of gerry+ this is for 34 young birds for race they will get as much as they want thursday evening and then friday morning pinch of redband also iceburgh lettuce friday morning they flying well and training and trapping well so think its working for me so far might have to tweek it abit when racing starts.