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Todays Birthdays Grizzler, Paul Winn (40)
Kyleakin Lofts replied to buster151's topic in Introductions & Member Messages
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Race Programme 2015 Old Birds 18th April Dunbar 25th April Dunbar 2nd May Otterburn 9th May Aycliffe 16th May Wetherby 23rd May Newark 30th May Peterborough 6th June Otterburn 13th June Huntingdon 20th June SNRPC Billericay 26th June SNRPC Reims Gold Medal (577 Miles) (4YO) 3rd July SNRPC Troyes 4th July 11th July 17th July SNRPC Arras Young Birds 18th July Cockenzie 25th July Dunbar 1st Aug Dunbar 8th Aug Otterburn (Breeder / Buyer) 15th Aug Aycliffe (Gold Ring) 22nd Aug Wetherby 29th Aug Otterburn 5th Sept SNRPC YB NAT Peterborough
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Race Programme 2015 2nd May Stirling 9th May Thornton 16th May Perth Racecourse 23rd May Arbroath 30th May Montrose 6th June Portlethen 13th June Fraserburgh (Convoyed by NRCC) 20th June Ellon 27th June Portlethen 4th July Fraserburgh 11th July 17th July Thurso (Convoyed by NRCC) Young Birds 25th July Stirling 1st Aug Thornton 8th Aug Perth Racecourse 15th Aug Arbroath 22nd Aug Montrose 29th Aug Portlethen
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Good afternoon all. Been away for a car service. Didn't help my bad back.
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Do the new books come out after the AGM, thus reflecting any changes made at the AGM or before the AGM, thus preventing any changes from being made at the AGM? I would suspect they come out after the AGM, thus reflecting that the current year runs from AGM to AGM as is most practices. First part of the AGM closes the year, second part starts the new year. This being the case, it would not be a date year, but a season year, as in this season 2015 - 2016.
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Like you Mick, I'm not a member and this part of the ruling seemed odd to me. The race was 2014, so if the Jan 2015 deadline for EGM, why was the question ruled out of order at the 2015 AGM? When the members were not satisfied with that ruling and requested an EGM to discuss the matter, previously ruled out of order, they have been refused their EGM using this clause 10, but I would have thought that clause could only be used Jan 2016. What is abundantly clear is that those in the positions of trust do not want this matter discussed whatsoever. I am not really that interested, as a non member, but as a prospective member, I would like to know that the Club is well run and settled within its membership. I don't want to become embroiled in Club arguments.
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Todays Birthdays Kirky (65) Gulkie (68)
Kyleakin Lofts replied to buster151's topic in Introductions & Member Messages
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Again as an outsider, one which respects the posts you normally put up as being balanced and informed, this post sheds yet another perspective on this matter. A perspective that I would be far happier with than the others that I have read. Sadly Ian, your last paragraph states it all. The reputation of the SNFC has been damaged, in my eyes, and I would certainly not consider applying for membership at this time. Strong personalities and opinions are the lifeblood of any organisation, but they must be voiced in the correct place, at the correct time and then the outcome must be accepted and progress must be made. This has not happened!!! "Dirty laundry" has been aired in public and it smells.
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Well said Frank.
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After careful consideration by the committee and consultation with solicitors, the request to call a Special General Meeting has been rejected as it would be unconstitutional according to Rule 10 (Special Meetings) which states ‘it shall not be competent to call a special meeting under this clause to deal with the conduct of races during a particular year unless the requisition is lodged before 1st January’. SNFC policy is not to become involved in issues discussed on social media websites or the fancy press. There are procedures in place to handle disputes within the constitution and these have been ignored. I have cut and pasted the above from the letter on the SNFC website. The first paragraph is the part that I am commenting on in previous posts. With regards to the second paragraph, I am not privet to the SNFC Constitution and Rules, so am unable to make any comment. If there are procedures to be followed, most good Constitutions have them, then they should be followed. Trial by media is never the correct way to go, however one can understand that people sometimes become so despondent when they are being continually over-ruled that they occasionally act in an incorrect manner. Notwithstanding any of the above comments, this situation is now public knowledge and as such prudence would direct one towards the best method of quelling the matter with finality. I have browsed the history of the Club and am aware of a past dispute which cost the Club a lot of money, perhaps the damage then was more substantial than just money. Did the Club lose its administrators? Are those who have administrated the Club since this last dispute done so in fear of another dispute arising? I am hearing about a longstanding "problem" in some people's eyes. Should that particular problem have been dealt with in a different manner? Retrospect is good only because it is such. At these previous times, the administrators carried out their duties to the best of their ability, hopefully. If that ability was not good enough then the members can only blame themselves, not the administrators. The current situation requires to be dealt with in an open and clear manner. The issue requires to be dealt with and finalised. Only then shall the Club be able to move forward. Media coverage should stop. The members should be given their meeting, no matter the cost, and the matter should be dealt with to its conclusion.
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What a stupid statement!!! Don't know who you are naedoos, but it appears you should have called yourself naebrains!!! Why would the particular rule that is being used by Committee be put in place other than to safeguard the Club from un-necessary expense? The Club holds an AGM and by nature they take place annually, usually around the same time of year, thus the name AGM which stands for Annual (yearly) General Meeting. The rules normally state when this meeting should take place and the form of business to be discussed at such meeting. If members call for a Special General Meeting, this by its nature incurs an expense which would be an un-necessary expense if the matter in hand could be dealt with at the AGM, which was due to take place in a short time. In this particular case, the AGM had already taken place. The matter under dispute was ruled on by the President to be out of order and therefore was not discussed. It appears the members did not agree with the President and enough of them signed the relevant petition to call the Special General Meeting to discuss the matter. If the above scenario is correct, then the Committee are again attempting to deny the membership their rights by incorrectly using a rule. If this is the case, then the Committee are attempting to "throw the rule book away" and as such they are ruling themselves out of order and showing a complete ineptitude with regards to the proper running of an organisation. Some advice Mr Naedoos, disengage your typing finger and engage your brain. read what is being typed by others and at least make an attempt to understand it. If you are incapable of this, ask for further explanation. Most things are able to be simplified for those who require it.
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I am not a member of the SNFC, but have read this and other posts regarding this saga with interest, from the standpoint of a prospective member. At this time, I would not go near the Club with regards to applications. I am sad about this, as the SNFC was THE National. I have read the letter from the SNFC website and I am not impressed, nor has my opinion changed. Rules are being manipulated. The refusal of the meeting using a rule with a date of 1st January when the AGM took place on 10th January, I am not going to check dates stated here are correct, I have stated them to show the principle, is out of order and manipulation of the membership. The only common sense reason for such a rule is to prevent un-necessary expense in the days immediately prior to an AGM which is not the situation in this matter. If I were a member, I would not be happy with these explanations from afar, I would want to hear them "face to face".
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Good morning all.
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Good morning all.
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Happy birthday.