Pigeons in the new loft this year, so hoping for a better season. They are not all broke out yet, so that is still in the balance. Even though it is only next to their old "loft, garden hut" I lost some when trying to break them already. Stubborn ... , wouldn't come in and fell to predators. Hopefully get organised during season 2017 and will be able to have a proper go from 2018.