Tony C

lol built in antenna too

I hope so as well

Wont be long before the sun breaks through, light easterly wind

Flying ants. Could today be the day when they come out. Not seen any this year as to yet.

Good luck all

whatever loft your looking at you'll need one with 2x2 framework minimum & 3x2 trusses if you intend having a tiled roof.

I laid these over my existing roof but before I did I cut three 2' sq (16' loft)in the roof for additional ventilation, works a treat.

West Essex Fed at Wetherby.

Could come from the Greek meaning Par(a)- beside, near (Para) parallel, parameter

The other consideration you have to take into account is them upsetting the whole loft by going into wrong boxes and ending up with smashed eggs. I'd take a couple of rounds out of the older pigeons first then think about pairing up the latebreds if I were you.

From DERFA website, highlighted a few species in red The table below lists viruses received from EU countries in 2007, however they were not necessarily isolated during this time period and a small number of viruses may have originated in 2006. The figures in this table do not account for any detection of m gene positives that did not yield haemagglutination viruses after virus isolation. Country Species Type IVPI/lineage H Cleavage Site Seq GB Pigeons/doves PPMV-1 ND/4b RRQKRF - virulent Mallard - PMV-1 ND/1 GKQGRL - avirulent Chickens PMV-1 0.00 - 0.05 GKQGRL - avirulent Chicken PMV-1 0.08/2 GRQGRL - avirulent Mallard - Trapped H1N2 ND/- ND Greylag Goose - Shot H2N9 ND/- ND Mallard - Shot H3N6 ND/- ND Teal - Trapped H3N8 ND/- ND Mallard–farmed game H3N8 ND/- ND Turkeys/Ducks H5N1 3.00/- PQGERRRKKRGLF Avian Report Vol 11 No 4 Oct - Dec 20007 -web.doc Page 9 of 20 Mallard - Shot H5N2 x 2 ND/- PQRETRGLF - LPAI Mallard - Shot H6N2 ND/- ND Mute Swan–dead wild H6N5? tbc ND/- ND Chicken H7N2 ND/- Geese H9N2 ND/- ND Geese H10N2 ND/- ND N.Ireland ? PMV-1 ND/- ? PMV-6 ND/- ND ? H1N1 ND/- ND Mallard x 1 - Trapped Teal x 3 - Trapped H3N8 x 4 ND/- ND ? H6N8 ND/- ND ? H10N7 ND/- ND Portugal Mallard – Farmed Game AI H5N3 ND/- PQRETRGLF - LPAI Estonia Poultry - Layers PMV-1 1.16/4b KRQKRF - virulent Romania Chickens PMV-1 x 20 ND/5d RRQKRF - virulent Chickens PMV-1 x 1 ND/5b RRQRRF - virulent Chickens/Ducks/Cat H5N1 x 7 ND/- PQGERRRKKRGLF HPNAI Cyprus Kestrel PMV-1 ND/2 GRQGRL - avirulent ? PPMV-1 ND/4b RRQKRF - virulent Greece Poultry - broilers PMV-1 ND/2 GRQGRL - avirulent Poultry - broilers PMV-1 1.49/5d RRQKRF - virulent Poland Poultry - Turkeys H5N1 x 2 PQGERRRKKRGLF HPNAI Mallard H3N8 ND/- ND Mallard H4N6 ND/- ND Gull H13N8? tbc ND/- ND Bulgaria Poultry -chickens? PMV-1 ND/5d RRQKRF - virulent Poultry ? PMV-1 ND/ GRQGRL - avirulent Ducks PMV-1 ND/2 GRQGRL - avirulent Mule ducks H4N2 ND/- ND Mule ducks H4N6 ND/- ND Avian Report Vol 11 No 4 Oct - Dec 20007 -web.doc Page 10 of 20 Hungary Geese H5N1 2.92 PQGERRRKKRGLF HPNAI H7N7 PEIPKGRGLF - LPAI Turkey PMV-1 ND/5d RRQKRF - virulent Germany Various 50 x flu tbc Mute swans/ducks/geese H5N1 ND/- PQGERRRKKRGLF HPNAI Czech Rep Swan/Chickens H5N1 ND/- PQGERRRKKRGLF HPNAI France Swan H5N1 ND/- PQGERRRKKRGLF HPNAI Slovenia Mute Swan PMV-1 ND/6 ERQERL - avirulent Yellow legged gull H13N6 ND/- ND Neths Turkey H1N5 ND/- ND Turkey H3N8 ND/- ND Turkey H6N5 ND/- ND Swans and chicken H7N7 ND/- PEIPKGRGLF-LPAI Mallard H8N4 ND/- ND Mallard H10N7 ND/- ND Mallard H10N8 ND/- ND Austria Pigeon PPMV-1 1.04/4b RRKKRF - virulent Seagull H4N6 ND/- ND Mallard H13N8* tbc

Lib Site Details Ferry Meadows Country Park. RPRA Lib. Site No. 4085 Vehicles only allowed on site between 7am - 10am. No overnight parking either before lib or if heldover. Airfields to be Notified: Wittering - 01780783838 Ext 7090/1 P'bro Connington - 01487832022 P'bro Sibson - 01832280289 If this is the site I'm led to believe that only four transporters are allowed on site.

If in a competitive club and each member only timed in one pigeon each a novice would do well to get in the first ten let alone take a card so lets forget about allowing them to take a card. Cards are relative to the competition you fly against, there's clubs and there's clubs. In a weak club you could be 5 minutes behind and still sneak a card, not so in a strong club. So how do we identify who needs help? Someone that’s 15-20 minutes behind most weeks are doing something drastically wrong, these are the ones that I refer to as needing help and encouragement, not by allowing them to take a card but to help them cut down on the time deficit.

A Pocket Tazer Stun Gun, a great gift for the wife. A guy who purchased his lovely wife a pocket Tazer for their anniversary submitted this: Last weekend I saw something at Larry's Pistol & Pawn Shop that sparked my interest. The occasion was our 15th anniversary and I was looking for a little something extra for my wife Julie. What I came across was a 100,000-volt, pocket/purse-sized Tazer. The effects of the Tazer were supposed to be short lived, with no long-term adverse affect on your assailant, allowing her adequate time to retreat to safety....?? WAY TOO COOL! Long story short, I bought the device and brought it home. I loaded two AAA batteries in the darn thing and pushed the button. Nothing! I was disappointed. I learned, however, that if I pushed the button AND pressed it against a metal surface at the same time; I'd get the blue arc of electricity darting back and forth between the prongs.AWESOME!!!Unfortunately, I have yet to explain to Julie what that burn spot is on the face of her microwave. Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it couldn't be all that bad with only two triple-A batteries, right? There I sat in my recliner, my cat Gracie looking on intently (trusting little soul) while I was reading the directions and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on a flesh & blood moving target. I must admit I thought about zapping Gracie(for a fraction of a second) and thought better of it. She is such a sweet cat. But, if I was going to give this thing to my wife to protect herself against a mugger, I did want some assurance that it would work as advertised. Am I wrong? So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one hand, and Tazer in another. The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant; a two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a major loss of bodily control; a three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water. Any burst longer than three seconds would be wasting the batteries. All the while I'm looking at this little device measuring about 5' long, less than 3/4 inch in circumference; pretty cute really and (loaded with two itsy, bitsy triple-A batteries) thinking to myself, 'no possible way!' What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best...? I'm sitting there alone , Gracie looking on with her head cocked to one side as to say, 'don't do it dipsh!t,' reasoning that a one second burst from such a tiny little ol' thing couldn't hurt all that bad. I decided to give myself a one second burst just for heck of it. I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and . . . HOLY MOTHER OF GOD . . . WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION . . . WHAT THE HELL!!! I'm pretty sure The Hulk ran in through the side door, picked me up in the recliner, then body slammed me on the carpet, over and over and over again. I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, with tears in my eyes, body soaking wet, both nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position, and tingling in my legs? The cat was making meowing sounds I had never heard before, clinging to a picture frame hanging above the fireplace, obviously in an attempt to avoid getting slammed by my body flopping all over the living room. Note: If you ever feel compelled to 'mug' yourself with a Tazer, one note of caution: there is no such thing as a one second burst when you zap yourself! You will not let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor. A three second burst would be considered conservative? A minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at that point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and surveyed the landscape. My bent reading glasses were on the mantel of the fireplace. The recliner was upside down and about 8 feet or so from where it originally was. My triceps, right thigh and both nipples were still twitching. My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocain, and my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs. I had no control over the drooling. Apparently I sh** myself, but was too numb to know for sure and my sense of smell was gone. I saw a faint smoke cloud above my head which I believe came from my hair. I'm still looking for my nuts and I'm offering a significant reward for their safe return!! P. S. My wife loved the gift, and now regularly threatens me with it! If you think Education is difficult, try being stupid.!o)

Yes it was hard when most of us started out but can we afford to be as hard on newcomers with the sport dying on its feet as it is. Do we have to say 'if you want to play this game you've got to be made of the right stuff?’ times are a changing and I think attitudes should follow suit. Pigeon racing is nowadays in competition with many other sports which wasn't available to ordinary folk years ago, once they join our ranks we should give them every bit of help and encouragement we can and hope we hold onto them.

Hope you dont mind mw jumping on your thread WICC What If? what if we changed the whole way we race young birds the way we know it. What if the highest velocity counted for nothing. What if the velocity was worked out not on your first pigeon home but your last. What if you don’t get 100% returns? simple, you're out of the race. What if it were to be made a minimum of 10 birds per member, no advantage to be gained in sending more, in fact it would be a disadvantage to do so. Emphasis has to be put on getting teams home, not getting one pigeon home out of a team to determine the result. I dont think for one minute this is the answer but I feel it would take something as radical as this to buck the trend.

West Essex Fed at Retford

Come across this for youtube music vids http://crocmusic.com/

Would one in pidgin english do ya

What’s different nowadays? Young birds reaching sexual maturity much earlier and this is used to motivate them to race must have a lot to do with it. Darkness coupled with early breeding = no moulting when racing = bags of energy. Take a look at them in the race crate, they're like yearlings lol their eyes are popping out of their head raring to go. To make an analogy I suppose you could look at it like learning to ride a bike, no stabilisers for these, they're learning to ride on a 500cc road bike from the outset such is the difference body & maturity wise. They've energy in abundance but not the experience to handle it.

I believe the strain of pigeon used were 'De Kraks' ;D

Do you let them out for exercise before you train them? If not give that a try.

Update After 4 races of using individual crates only one members pigeons have gone down with YBS and that was after he sent half he's team in another Fed where these pigeons were mixed.

The RPRA have a rule stating the minimum time between libs from the same site is 10 minutes, I would like to see this changed to at least 20 minutes.

My views are the way the RPRA actually implement rules needs to be looked at first. The procedure of propositions taken firstly through club then Federation then Region then Council is outdated. The current structure was implemented donkeys years ago because it was neigh impossible for ordinary fanciers to attend meetings out of town so to speak due to lack of public transport and where the favoured mode of transport of the day was a pushbike. All rule changes I believe should now be done democratically by balloting the membership via post or Internet, I think that’s the only way the ordinary fancier will ever have he’s/her voice heard.