yes I got 2 from bib up on the TV , £14 for the 2, same as I paid £74 for, but they do work, I only put them on now and again when I think the cats are coming back, have 5 all round me but get no problem, think they all have a good soaking, dont come back for more, so up until now fine, see the cats in their own garden but not mine, I wouldnt go away and leave loft open, though, I also have the deterrent on all the time I think Solway Feeders on site has a few things ,crows etc http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/43808-solway-feeders/