but if its not been allowed to happen the members are at fault, its them that appoint their delegates and tell them what to do, if they are not then surelly its them at fault, and this is what has been the matter for a long time and still is, and yes inn my organisations as well, the members just can't be bothered having meetings etc with delegates to mandate them, get that sorted and u will see a big difference, and if delegates are not doing what they are mandated by their members to do get them out, andput someone in that is. or if they are mandated to do something and they dont pull them up for default,