andy, i think our birds today were libbed too late from cheltenham, 10.30 when a lot of welsh feds were liberating from 7am onwards at 20 minute intervals, years ago birds at cheltenham were let go at 7 in the morning, only time holding on later if there was mist, when birds were picked up last night a member asked what time were going in morning, answer he got was, not before ten,the last few years this has happened, lib late, always end up in wales,crazy , 10/18 not happy.