your 100% correct mate, i think we keep hoping that they will win, giving them too many chances and just to make the numbers up but in this days racing you could have a good bird out in front only to be chased by bop, resulting in it coming late, how many times have we said they should have been here by now, the lads 12 miles from us have seen the 1st batch of birds turned by bop with the second lot getting through a lot of weeks so these birds could have been the winner but because of bop they were middle of the pack so not getting a true percentage,sorry, bit of topic jmo